Please make rounded corners an option

[Abe5F8D]

Please make rounded corners an option, or have squared corners where clips are touching the same line. I thought I was going crazy because my clips had tons of 1-2 frame gaps and I kept having to zoom way in to see them. Only to find out it's the new update. Cmon. I've been working in PPro full time for 20+ years. this is silly.

[R Neil Haugen]

I strongly suggest ... beg, actually! ... for more professional users to routinely give the five minutes a week or so to check out what's going on in the beta.

Why? Simple.

That's when things like this get rolled out for comment, and it is far easier to get changes before something ships in the regular release than after!

Unlike the BlackMagic app, the Premiere beta will be installed separately from the shipping versions, and won't affect them at all. Check out the new builds once a week for five minutes, and if you see something off, post on the beta forum immediately.

As then, you have a far better chance of getting it changed than posting here after it's in the shipping version.

The more users that do this, the better for all of us.

[Yololife]

People did post in the beta thread when it was first announced (https://shorturl.at/H38DY), almost everyone saying that they hated it, it was a terrible idea etc, but of course Adobe went ahead with it anyway. I get that the corners will be smaller in the future, but it's still far more difficult to spot gaps between clips (I'm using the beta version now) than with the rectangular edges.

I think that what it comes down to is that it’s pretty obvious Adobe is only adding changes like this to try and stop people from choosing Resolve over themselves, but let’s face it, nobody’s going to Resolve because of “rounded corners” - it’s mostly because of the pricing model. But that’s something Adobe will never, ever change, so this whole rounded corners thing is just a waste of everybody’s time. Mostly that of the editors, who have to work around these pointless changes.

[R Neil Haugen]

I love the odd speculations posted here about the reasons someone does something.

Apparently, many uses aren't aware of Adobe's massive, ongoing research into UI stuff. Remember, the Creative Cloud is only one part, and not the largest, of Adobe's product lines.

They have other sections, like designing software for use by other large companies to study, guide, and drive user experience and engagement of users on any company's websites.

So they do their own research on this stuff, and most of the UI things we get as CC user come out of either their own data from that large segment of corporate Adobe, or from users of the CC apps specifically.

If you haven't been invited to participate in a customer reaction zoom setup, well, it's rather intriguting ... and they do a ton of that with users. "If you see this icon, what do you first think of? Do you like the feel of this panel design or this one, and ... why? What would you guess would be the result of selecting this option as worded?"

And on an on.

I don't really think those folks are even aware that BlackMagic exists. I expect the Premiere devs would be aware of BM's stuff, but they aren't the primary drivers of such UI changes. From everything I've seen in the papers, statements and such, these changes came out of the internal UI development teams from up on high within Adobe.

[Yololife]

"They have other sections, like designing software for use by other large companies to study, guide, and drive user experience and engagement of users on any company's websites.

So they do their own research on this stuff, and most of the UI things we get as CC user come out of either their own data from that large segment of corporate Adobe, or from users of the CC apps specifically."

Well, that's even dumber than just copying Resolve, for the blindingly obvious reason that what may work for a website (or a different CC app) may not work well for a piece of editing software.

And I think any editor working today is aware of BlackMagic, so the fact that changes to Premiere are apparently being driven by people who don't edit... well, I mean it explains a lot! I get that the head of UI or whatever wouldn't be an editor, but surely people who use the software regularly should be close to the beginning of the implementation process, to advise whether something is a good idea, or a terrible, terrible idea that should have been laughed out of the room at the first opportunity?

[R Neil Haugen]

I think we have a difference of appreciation of ... perhaps call it the scale of UI development processes?

I get the feel (and of course, I could easily be wrong!) that you think the UI development is mostly within an app ... and that's not how a large organization tends to work. And they have actually shared both online articles and comments from staffers here, so "we" users have had really quite a bit of information as to both the how and why of the changes.

Not  that I agree with all of the changes, mind you. Being able to understand and explain something doesn't have anything to do with agreeing with it. There are a number of things I near ranted on, like the rounded corners and the inverted brightnesses in the audio waveform at first.

But for their company, UI development isn't confined to specific app types, it's a general, over-arching field. And as most anything of any depth, you start at the overall/general level, and in the process, drill down to specifics.

NLE UI development "in general" isn't any different. Normally one starts with overall UI concepts, then eventually gets down to specific apps and then to user groups for those apps, using testing on those users for parts of your design work. Those doing more graphics workflows will have different specific interests than those doing general long-form editing versus those doing 20 minute four-camera/two person interviews for web use by corporations.

And as I clearly stated, Adobe does heavily test users, not just of Pr but of all Adobe apps, which you seem to have missed somehow. And having been through several of those over the last decade, both via zoom type online and in-person at something like NAB ... it's interesting. Kinda feels like being the lab rat in an open top maze, with the scientists in lab coat looking down at you, and every once in a while, writing furiously mumbling about  " ... oh, that response was interesting! ....

In all, a very intriguing experience. And informative of the depth to which they do test user responses to various proposed changes in the UI.

So the things that the Adobe staffers working on this stuff have told the users is that they are working from (top level to bottom) general UI "best practices" info from various major UI research efforts, their own UI team, their CC UI team (which spans all Creative Cloud apps), and the devs for UI within the various apps.

Part of this is an internal effort to get the various CC apps more consistent, as with the millions of users, many, like in our tiny shop, use mulitple CC apps. For example, we routinely use Pr, Audition, Ae, Lightroom, Photoshop, and Bridge. To a lesser extent, we do use Illustrator and a couple others.

Such efforts resulted in the appearance of the newly revamped Properties panel in Premiere. Which came to "us" Pr users partly because of many, long-time requests from other CC "power users" who had gotten into the 'speed' of working the Properties panel for nearly all media/effects controls and thought Premiere's many separate panels was a total waste of screen space and time.

So although that effort probably fit within long-term plans, it was also something long desired by a large group of current users.

And like any such change, some users loved it, many didn't care, they simply adapted, and some don't like it.

I was in the "not a fan" category at first, as to me, it was confusing as the "context aware" behavior is so flipping selective. But with working in it a bit, I now realize at least two, and probably three or four of my nine custom workspaces really aren't needed anymore. 

The changes mean I need to adapt, but once I have fully adapted, it will be easier and quicker to do many things I regularly do.

So I need to build one workspace to replace three or four of the current nine, and dump the old ones. I just haven't taken the time to do it yet.

Are they aware of BlackMagic? I would assume so. As they are aware of all other apps in video post, still imaging, graphics and whatnot.

Are they focused on any particular other app? I, for the life of me, can't see why it would even be of interest. Do you have any idea how many million users Premiere has, not counting the other CC apps?

[Yololife]

I use several different Adobe apps, and my argument would be that just because a UI decision would work in Illustrator, doesn't necessarily mean it will work in Premiere, or indeed any other app, and forcing it through in the name of either consistency or some abstract "best practice" concept (which appears to be "curves are friendlier") without any reference to the people who actually have to use the software is... well, it's not good.

You say that there was reference to the people who use it, that this change would have been heavily tested... But given the fact that Adobe has now shrunk the corners, presumably in response to feedback/complaints from either their userbase or their in-house team (why else would they have done it?), how thorough could that testing have been?

And I'd imagine that whether you're working with graphics workflows, or general long-form editing, or 20 minute four-camera/two person interviews for web use by corporations, the ability to reliably line up cuts quickly would be an advantage.

Which brings me to my original point - for the love of God, please let us revert to rectangular edges!

[Tom37461109j8by]

Horrible choice, felt the awkwardness of the change within seconds of editing. Another example of Adobe shoving things down your throat & taking away the chance to cater to your preferences. Time to jump ship soon I think 

[Superhardcut]

The rounded corners are absolutely nonsensical. But as we all know, Adobe doesn't give a f* about their users' opinions. Ever since they started messing with the UI—starting with that ridiculous export window—the whole interface has been getting worse with every update.

[R Neil Haugen]

I don't like the rounded corners, nor am I a big fan of the Export "page". I've argued for allowing the first to be a user pref, and ... well, for the second, I re-did all the presets, including making mostly my own as saved ones, so it's tolerable.

But two things ... you must realize we are all different, and please, never assume anyone else works or thinks like you do. In over a decade of attending NAB and other 'live' events, and talking with every editor/colorist/Fx person I can, I have never met two people who did anything the same.

What you and I don't like is what someone else will love. For example, I dislike Resolve's UI to an extreme level. I find it infuriating that it doesn't allow me to customize anything worth doing. And even after near a decade of use, I still have to figure out where the blame context menus are hidden page to page. And that BlackMagic limits the functionality of my glorious Tangent Elements panel so drastically.

But a good friend loves Resolve's UI, including absolutely thinks nothing of that should ever allow the user to mess up the obvious perfection of the layouts. And also feels it is the most intuitive app for where everything is located and what terminology is used in all of pro video post.

Well, glory be for him! We laugh at our different views of Resolve every time we meet.

I know that many users do either like the changes to the UI, or aren't bothered by them at all. Please, allow them to have their own thoughts and feelings.

Second, as my be seen by the above, you might drop or at least reconsider things such as "they don't care about users" ... because, which users are you talking about, the ones like you, or everyone else?

"Everyone's mileage always varies."

[Ryan Fritzsche]

Can there please be a toggle somewhere to turn this off?  It's visually confusing, b/c it makes it more difficult to notice gaps between clips.  For folks who like it, that's great, but please please please make it optional.