4k videos in a 4k sequence vs Hd sequence: wich one faster?

[felixh16392651]

Hello every body (sorry about eventual english mistakes i'm french)

MY final QUESTION : 4k video editing is faster to read in a 4k sequence property or a hd sequence?

(So i have a client who wants to receive export videos but also the full project and we are arguing something prety stupid but wich would forced me to resize multiple shots and motion design elements in multiple sequences = very borring..)

With a 4k video in Premiere, i want to export a final H264 file in HD. The video is made with 4k shots i zoom in to make a 2 camera effect with the person speaking.
I guess it doesn't change the speed Premiere read the sequence if it's 4k or not, the video file being still 4k number of pixels... Plus in the 4k sequence property panel you have the video size wich is 4k and the preview video size wich is HD.My client as a slow machine and is arguing it will change if the sequence was in HD (not even speaking about proxies)
I think it's not true at all..

Sanks a looot

félix henry

[R Neil Haugen]

IF you were running proper Cineform proxies it still wouldn't make any difference whether the sequence is 4k or UHD or FHD. It would give better playback.

It is the MEDIA  being used that is the issue, NOT the sequence settings.

For playback on a slower machine he's not doing editing can you give him an exported file of current look in HD?

Neil

[felixh16392651]

Sanks for the answer Neil.
I know for the proxie i was just saying he doesn't want to work with proxies wich would be a solution.
I guess he just right cliced on 4k videos in HD timeline and then scale the frame size rather than set to frame size so he converted 4k videos in HD and have a lost of quality and Premiere goes faster. Wich is BAD

Sanks !

[R Neil Haugen]

Dealing with intentionally stuupid clients is ... frustrating. You need to keep them happy to pay the bill, but ... jeez.

Yeah, he did a dumb thing, but as he doesn't understand how this actually works and may not display the patience to learn anything you have to slide around him somehow.

That sequence  ... you might copy the clips to a properly set sequence and remove the scale to Attribute, make proxies overnight or something while he's not there or something.

I've colorist friends who've had client-attended jobs where clients demand they follow a workflow of "X" because client is sure that will save time and cost.

Colorist knows that it will 1) take longer just to get through to the end and 2) because there's gonna be no budget for the time for any further passes it's gonna be an uneven grade.

But ... if you cannot get this communicated to the client you have a problem. Seriously, do you:

1) continue the job at all, after explaining that the method demanded is not something you are professionally comfortable with nor ever would advise, and may not fulfill their quality needs at the end of the budget;

2) just keep your mouth controlled and work away with the high probability that when the job ends poorly the client will blame you to every other potential clientele he ever meets; or

3) explain that in your professional experience this is not an appropriate workflow for the project but of course is the client's choice ... however  ... that would also mean using a different colorist.

Life ain't always sweet and easy.

Neil

[rodneyb56060189]

dear French person:

your English is great. better than my French ( zero ).

Clients are never intentionally mean or idiotic or stupid intentionally. Most people are just regular people like you and me.

The smarter people help others understand problems and solutions. There is no one workflow that works best for all the different things coming from cameras ( source material). All the platforms ( computers and storage and so on ) are different.

What works for me might not work for YOU ( I can import 4k and work with it and export it any way I want for delivery ). And I don't praise cineform codec or whatever that is (wrapper and codec ?).

Don't listen to people who bad mouth others but focus on what you can accomplish using what you have. And be honest with people you work with. Tell them exactly what your problems are, and ask them if they can help you solve them.  Be nice to them and respect them.

[rodneyb56060189]

maybe the question is better formed by asking, which is 'better' rather than which is 'faster'.

If you put 4k into 1080p you can zoom in, reposition, and play with the extra space available. Especially if you are exporting full HD only.

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[SAFEHARBOR11 · Accepted solution]

I agree with Rodney. If you try to simulate multi-cam by scaling up 4K footage in 4K sequence, results with be poor! MUST edit the 4K clips in 1080p Sequence in order to benefit from the 4K resolution of scaled source and have clean 1080p output on those clips.

Unless the final video MUST be mastered/output as 4K, then there is no reason or need to edit in 4K Sequence.

I'm shooting an annual singing competition tomorrow and I always shoot wide stage in 4K, and edit in 1080p to simulate multi-camera cuts, zooms, pans, works out GREAT.

Thanks

Jeff

[DavidROfficer6198]

Do you shoot two camera or just one?