why does clip fades and crossfades have to be so complicated?

[Liveshots]

In other software (Vegas); I drag the in-point of a clip to overlap another and automatically get a cross fade, right-click if I want to change the fade shape, and click/drag the edges to resize.

Is this not possible in Premiere? I drag clips over eachother and they cut eachother off - I have to go fishing through transitions. The work flow is so slow in this. This is my 3rd attempt in 2 years of getting used to PP, but it's driving me mad

[Averdahl · Accepted solution]

You can place the clips on the same tracks and place the Current Time Indicator at the cut point and either drag the transition or press Ctrl+Shift+D to apply the default transition. To change the length, either use the mouse or double click on the transition. No need to overlap clips for simple transitions in Premiere Pro.

You can set any transition to the default transition by right clicking on the desired transition in the Effect panel and choose "Set Selected as Default Transition". Ctrl+Shift+D do always add the selected default transition.

Transitions works different than they do in Vegas and my recommendation is to learn how they work in Premiere Pro rather than trying to mimic how they work in Vegas: Transition overview: applying transitions

[BNC10a]

Actually, I have to go with Eric on this one. Even Adobe's own Audition treats audio overlays the way he described. Telling him how it works is fine. Telling him to get used to it isn't helpful and doesn't improve the software.

Yes, I understand Premiere is a video editing software, but there are some things from the audio world it could really benefit implementing—like global track Solo/Mutes that remember what was soloed and muted before the toggle. Even implement some of the soloing layers concepts from After Effects for the video as well.

It would be great to have Premiere video with the concept of track lanes. Like putting all the different takes of a related video or overlay (i.e. phone number or alternate graphic) on the same track and just moving the one to the top you want to be active then refolding the track.  Right now it requires new tracks. Then you spend all afternoon scrolling up and down if you keep the tracks expanded enough to work with.

Ah, see, now you got me started...

[Averdahl]

Telling him to get used to it isn't helpful and doesn't improve the software.

For now, telling him to get used to it is IMHO the best tip for the moment. Struggling now trying to make Premiere Pro treat audio as Vegas or any other software do just keep the frustration level spinning up, and up and up. Changes like this usually takes years or will even never occur. So getting used to it no matter how frustrated one are is a good solution in the long run. Switching software is always frustrating, be it video apps or any other app.

But no, that answer does not improve the software but you and the TS can make your voices heard by going to the Feature Request/Bug Report Form to file a Feature Request or search and vote for feature requests that may have been filed for this issue. I forgot to add the link in my previous post.

[BNC10a]

Sorry, didn't mean to make you so angry.

It took me five years of Features requests and even asking  on conference calls to get them to stop having Premiere scan VST folders by default on first boot. So you're right—we may never see changes like these.

[Averdahl]

No problems, but i was not angry. 🙂

[Boka2112]

I was in the same boat.  I changed my workflow.  I now cut everything and then go back and put fades in after color correcting.  I use that time to do a final review, so I feel it works better.  No more re-renders because of mistakes.  Hope that helps.

[Liveshots]

Sorry for the late reply, seems you've been chatting. Thanks for the the Ctrl+D shortcut, thats quicker than picking up the mouse to right-click>Apply default transition.
Doesn't work for audio though (correction; sorry that's ctrl+alt+D) There is something very simple missing in PP. Watch me fade out the applause at the end of a song.

*This is not a cross-fade transition* How would I achieve this soft close to a sound in Adobe territory without keyframing the gain?
https://www.liveshots.uk/video/fade-vegas.mp4 
I would have embedded a video but this page only seems to accept YouTube addresses

[Averdahl]

What you can do is to keyframe once and then save it as a Preset that you just can apply when needed. Read more on how-to here: Effect presets  (All saved Presets will end up in the Presets bin in the Effects panel.) 

When you use keyframes you can right click on each keyframe and choose between different options that gives the result you want and you can also drag the blue dots to manually adjust the bezier curve. You can also use the Pen Tool to select both keyframes and make the change in one go. All settings you do are stored in the Preset when you create them.

So yes, Vegas is far superiour compared to Premiere Pro when it comes to audio. Vegas was originally developed as audio editing software only, so that explains a lot.

I hope this help you to find an acceptable workflow. 🙂

[Liveshots]

I'm well practiced with using handles and curves, I've done plenty of vector graphics. Vegas gives you this fine-tuning method by automating the volume the same way, which I did for things like lifting really quiet piano parts. Adobe just chose to skip the quick & simple option; peel the corner down with a click+drag. And listing the curve shapes with text rather than visual descriptions. I'll get used to it, it's just slow

[Ann Bens]

The difference between Vegas and Pr is you can either use one of the two build in fades or set it manually any which way you like and even turn them into a preset. In Vegas you have to stick to the 5 static given options.

[Liveshots]

Vegas doesn't let you manually drawing your fade but you can still keyframe the volume along the timeline and pick your shape for each one. I used this to fade the piano mic to silent when it wasn't being played.

I've been in sound engineering a long time, which is why I do music videos, and I can confirm you don't need Illustrator style curve handles in a video editor. Include it if you like, but don't skip the simple option.

[Liveshots]

Okay, I'm using the Ctrl+D as a quick transition rather than hunting through folders. For a moment here, I wanted to use a clean fade transition rather than my default. So, I right clicked to get my options and sure enough there is an option to set the duration, but no alternative type of transition - even a list of 5 common/basics. So I've got to find the panel and drag one out.
Mr Adobe; can we have a 'set transition type' which opens up the relative panel please?

What then got me gobsmacked is that when I wanted a creative transition for bringing in the logo; I was faced with a long list of titles, but no thumbnail previews of what they look like. Is there any way to get an A-B demo like this? They are animations, I didn't bother doing a screen video.