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Trevor.Dennis
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December 7, 2017
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Trump -man of the moment or the greatest conman in history?

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Terri, seeing as you have raised the subject, how is it even remotely viable that after  so many American celebrities and politicians have been sacked or forced to resign over claims of  sexual harassment, and yet Trump, who bragged about his own blatant contemptible behavior with women, is still the President of the United States?  I can see that the GOP wants to hang on to power at any cost, but at what point does their ever decreasing credibility make their position no longer tenable? 

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    D Fosse
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    December 10, 2017

    I'm really fascinated by how 45 has completely dodged #metoo. How long can that last?

    Is there really nobody willing to go on record? Or are they bullied into silence? I suspect the latter. There must be hundreds of cases over the years - we all heard the tape, we know how he thinks.

    OTOH - the tape was published before metoo took off. What would the reaction have been if it became public today?

    D Fosse
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    December 11, 2017

    https://forums.adobe.com/people/D+Fosse  wrote

    I'm really fascinated by how 45 has completely dodged #metoo. How long can that last?

    Is there really nobody willing to go on record? Or are they bullied into silence? I suspect the latter. There must be hundreds of cases over the years - we all heard the tape, we know how he thinks.

    OTOH - the tape was published before metoo took off. What would the reaction have been if it became public today?

    Just as I wrote that, it seems to be happening.

    pziecina
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    December 9, 2017

    Just thought i would throw my two pence worth in.

    As an outsider, (don't live in the USA) does anyone really believe politicians anyway?

    Trump from what i have seen reported would never have gotten the power he has if previous governments, (not just presidents) had not ignored the problems of those who had seen their communities and jobs destroyed by political decissions made for 'the world stage'.

    Here in the U/K, i was not surprised when mainly those north of the London area, (outside of the major cities) or in rural communities voted to leave the EU, (brexit). As those areas declined dramatically due to policies being centered in the south of England, or Scotlands cities, with a political dam the rest attitude.

    My point is that sooner or later everyone who is ignored by the main political systems, no matter where they live in the world, gives up on the politics and starts to follow an idea or person no matter how stupid or idiotic the idea/person is. Trump is just a manifestation of the way things work now, 100 years ago those who voted or followed such people or ideas, would have staged a revolution, now people revolt by saying that the system is corrupt and stupid, so we may as well have a stupid leader of the system.

    And lets be honest, there is no one more self centered, and only for themself, than a politician.

    D Fosse
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    December 9, 2017

    That's very true, pziecina, and an undercommunicated point. "45" is a symptom, not the disease itself.

    For a glimpse of the underlying cause, see the excellent documentary "Inequality For All", prominently featuring Robert Reich, economist and Secretary of Labor under Clinton. It's on Netflix (at least here in Norway).

    JR Boulay
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    December 9, 2017

    Instead of restoring the US leadership position as he promised, your president is completely isolating his country on the international scene.

    Yesterday he excluded the US from the political game in the Mediterranean basin for many years.

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    Terri Stevens
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    December 9, 2017

    very true and it looks as if it will be a very bloody Christmas in Palestine thanks to Trump. Moving an embassy sounds unimportant but represents an end of a dream for the Palestinians as they now know categorical there will never be a two state solution as long as the Israelis are backed up by the Military might of the United States. The Jewish American billionaire Sheldon Abelson gave 25 million dollars to the Trump campaign and Donald is now rewarding his investment by signing over the occupied territories of Jerusalem and the West Bank of the Jordan-an amazing business coup for land that must be worth billions.

    Ussnorway7605025
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    December 10, 2017

    jane-e  wrote

    He did not win the popular vote. Clinton won by almost 3 million votes. But we have this archaic electoral college system that actually elects our president, and 45 won that by a narrow margin.

    A narrow margin because Russia could only rig the election in a few key districts.

    Ask yourself this.  How many people do you know voted for Trump?  I sure as heck didn't and nobody I know did either.    So who did?  It's ironic that Trump's mantra near the end of  campaigning was "the election is rigged. "  Well, he certainly got that right.


    I know a lot of people who voted Trump but most of them just wanted HER out... its a two party system

    Ussnorway7605025
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    December 9, 2017

    GOD bless the urinated states

    Terri Stevens
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    December 9, 2017

      wrote

    GOD bless the urinated states

    Hi there, that's a very clever play on words, but we must not start smearing the United States as the problem lies with an electoral college system that allowed a total moron (actually Rex Tillerson called him an F'in Moron) who received 3 million votes less than the Democrat candidate Clinton and is now driving a coach and horses through the democratic processes of the United States and destroying its international credibility. I've been to the US over 20 times and never have had anything but a great time there. It is true I don't rub shoulders with the gangs of LA or the brothers in Harlem, but most Americans are good people who aren't like Trump and most welcoming. Yes there are 'rednecks' who make up Trump's base and are a mix of white supremacists and neo-Nazis-most Americans despise those characters-I believe the phrase is white trash. In conclusion I hope this discussion doesn't turn into an exercise in bashing the US as that would be unjust.

    Cactus Cowboy
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    December 11, 2017

    I'd like to say a whole lot but alas, I'm just an uneducated, poverty stricken white trash less than human living in a god-forsaken third world country called the Divided States of America. Come on give me a break will ya.

    Terri Stevens
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    December 8, 2017

    Hi Trevor,

    I did reply to you but it was removed by a Trump sympathising moderator. Quite disturbing really as I'm a moderator as well and I know the rules. There was nothing in the message that anyone could object too unless  totally devoid of a sense of humour or politically motivated, but the thought police get everywhere. I'll e-mail you what I said instead.

    Would the mod who did that please identify themselves to me thro email as I want to discuss your actions with Madison or Tricia as you need training. Whoever you are I notice you didn't report my actions in our private back office forums. I out of courtesy would always tell a fellow ACP and moderator if I bounced one of their posts and consider your actions completely cowardly.

    Nancy OShea
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    December 8, 2017

    Terri,

    As a moderator, I saw the post that was rejected.  IMO, it should NOT HAVE BEEN REJECTED.  

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    Peru Bob
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    December 9, 2017

    I find it interesting that the only posts so far are from ACPs.

    Terri Stevens
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    December 8, 2017

    Trevor.Dennis  wrote

    Terri, seeing as you have raised the subject, how is it even remotely viable that after  so many American celebrities and politicians have been sacked or forced to resign over claims of  sexual harassment, and yet Trump, who bragged about his own blatant contemptible behavior with women, is still the President of the United States?  I can see that the GOP wants to hang on to power at any cost, but at what point does their ever decreasing credibility make their position no longer tenable? 

    Hi Trevor,
    We'll probably get in trouble for discussing this aren't, we supposed to be apolitical? The 'orange muppet' is such a disgrace though. Trump will probably dispatch Chuck Norris and Delta Force to deal with me lol Good job Chuck didn't have a bone spur or we would never have heard of him-he could have hung out in the Manhattan strip clubs with Trump instead during the Vietnam war though.

    I don't get the Americans, they spend seven times as much as Russia on defence and elect a president who is more loyal to the Kremlin than Kansas-very weird. The president simply has no moral fibre, a sex predator out of his own mouth from the 'Access Hollywood Tapes'. Trump's record speaks for itself, a serial adulterer and philanderer with two previous wives and a string of affairs behind him. Ivana accused him of rape and Marla Maples-who admittedly was a bimbo- saw her entire sex life played out in the newspapers much to Donald's glee boosting his ego. The man rather horribly revels in lusting after his own daughter talking about dating her if things were different 'yuk', twelve woman have accused him of unsolicited sexual advances, but being rich he can keep it out of court. His defence seems to be he wouldn't have been interested because they were 'ugly'-what a charmer?  I really feel sorry for Melania Trump as she looks permanently sad and the body language when with Trump says it all.

    We probably should pity Trump as there are clearly mental issues there, malignant narcissism has been blamed, but he's also delusional and psychotic. I suspect his mental state and strange allegiances has a lot to do with his bankruptcies and receiving money from the despots of the world to bail him out, but there is no such thing as a free lunch and those people now have enormous leverage with him as POTUS and that brings the whole of the United States into disrepute and maybe into danger. Only 36% of Americans support him and many of those just do so in the hope of a revival of their fortunes in the coal, steel and car industry and you can't blame them for hoping, but it's the uneducated that worry me as they can be talked into anything and believe Trump's standards are normal. How anyone on a low income can believe in someone who uses a golden toilet bowl each morning is beyond me , my one is diamond encrusted silver with a wi-fi operated flush lol

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    D Fosse
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    December 9, 2017

    Very well put, Terri. That's what I meant - I wish I were that eloquent. I could quote any single one sentence there.

    There would truly be something horribly wrong with the world, if we weren't allowed to say that, but the man himself is allowed to get away with actually doing it...

    gener7
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    December 8, 2017

    Thought I'd share this news piece about Senator Patrick Leahy who is an avid Batman fan, who has gone as far as to cameo in a few  of the movies.

    Batman aficionado Sen. Patrick Leahy divides time between Capitol Hill and Gotham City | The Japan Times

    I'll leave you to go through the story as to what kind of villain he thinks Trump would play.

    Terri Stevens
    Legend
    December 8, 2017

    Careful Gene, it looks as if someone here has had a sense of humour bye-pass and is censoring via the moderation console and we all know how controversial Batman is. Sad about Al Franken though. I still like him, really he did nothing more than play out a Benny Hill sketch. Offensive maybe, career destroying certainly not!

    D Fosse
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    December 8, 2017

    This ended up in the origininal Photoshop thread, where it made zero sense. So I'm copying it back into context:

    Whatever Terri said, the post should be reinstated and the mod in question be made to see the error of his ways. This is not the way to do it. Speak up and reply to the post if it offends you, but don't simply remove it.

    I have a lot of things to say about Donald Trump, but my command of the English language isn't good enough. For that matter, my command of Norwegian isn't good enough either - I'd need a whole new language, not yet invented, one that makes a mockery of all accepted rules. Like the man himself.

    The great Hunter S. Thompson, god bless his twisted soul, could probably do it. After all, he got away with calling Richard Nixon a nazi in so many words - that was before Watergate - but he did it in such a viciously elegant way that it just left everybody stunned. It needed to be said, and everybody realized it.