Re: Endnotes not linking epub export

Peter Villevoye · ‎Jan 12, 2021

Oh yeah, thank you again Eshu ! That was exactly what was happening: adding insult to injury, InDesign also crashes when you try to export the whole thing ! So I created a separate batch of html consisting of all text articles including (incomplete) endnote references, plus one empty final article (with its intended name), to let the proper manifest for the ePub be created. Next, I created a separate ePub of just the unlinked endnotes article, to replace the (empty) placeholder of the full ePub. And then we completed and corrected all links to and from the endnotes. Some knowledge of html and a tool like Sigil has become neccessary to get an ePub out of InDesign... 😞 Next time, I'll definitely try to notice if overset text is a culprit in combination with footnotes/endnotes, crashing InDesign upon exporting, and I'll also try see if hyperlinks in endnotes create an extra problem (incomplete links). It's a shame we have to do the testing and diagnosing.

Peter Villevoye · ‎Jan 12, 2021

Sounds like the problem which was occurring in my document. Most of the endnotes contained indeed web URLs (turned into hyperlinks). We quickly used Find/Replace in Sigil to correct all references to the endnote with the full file name part, and the references back to the text were done manually – a lousy job, but with some music and a mug of strong black tea, it went quite quickly after all... This long-standing bug is "under investigation" by the Adobe developers team, but this might take a few more days or years to get prioritised and solved.

Peter Villevoye · ‎Jan 12, 2021

What a coincidence !! A few weeks ago I helped processing a book into an interactive PDF and reflowable ePub. The PDF was easy (all table of content and endnotes links, back and forth) worked immediately. The ePub was a terrible feat ! The table of content worked (both the visual one and the structurally generated one), but the endnotes didn't. Well, not always, but as the work progressed, the file went corrupt. We didn't have the time to investigate it thoroughly, but we did find out that from a certain point in the document or moment in time working on it, InDesign didn't create properly formatted hyperlinks anymore. The links to go to and return from an endnote didn't include the file name (it was just a numbered anchor). We eventually and manually corrected them in the HTML (there were only around 80 of them), and didn't bother figuring out the exact reason or pattern for InDesign to behave that way. Your findings might be helpful to discover the real bug behind it ! I'll try to reproduce your procedure and see what happens, soon. Thank you for reporting back on this 🙂

Peter Villevoye · ‎Dec 24, 2020

Is it ? I think it's more like getting a sachet of Koolaid in the desert, with the instruction "add water". Sorry, being sarcastic here – it's almost the end of a turbulent and crazy year... 😉

Peter Villevoye · ‎Dec 20, 2020

It's not about corporate gaslighting, it's just a terrible mess... If you don't believe what I've been telling a year ago, read this guide: https://learnui.design/blog/ultimate-guide-font-sizes-ui-design.html Yeah, I know, it's about Sketch. But they have the same problem.

Peter Villevoye · ‎Dec 20, 2020

No, it's not. Font size issues are a delicate matter. Sketch is also having difficulties explaining it to users. https://twitter.com/sketch/status/897049898977157120 Quote: "We are looking into providing a more detailed explanation of this as it can be quite a complex matter!"

Peter Villevoye · ‎Nov 22, 2020

The rationale of Justification being a convenience feature for the designer doesn't work for me. When I Google "web design justification text" the whole first page of results is filled with blogs, articles, and examples advising against the use of justified text. I know, Google often tries to offer results that fit a person's confimation bias, but I can't believe they've included this preference in my profile... 😉 So I think it's fair of the development team to prioritize other features and leave this request unfulfilled, in stead of spending a vast amount of resources on hyphenation algorithms and standard and custom vocabularies in 60+ languages, with the notion that it won't work properly in many browsers and websites.

Peter Villevoye · ‎Nov 05, 2020

Your problem is not the same, because importing or pasting elements with linear or radial gradients into XD work fine !! So there must be something strange with your sample... When copying/pasting doesn't seem to work, then check this setting in the Preferences (it's in Dutch, but I hope tou can find and verify it). It defines what is brought over by the clipboard:

Peter Villevoye · ‎Oct 21, 2020

Wait folks. I guess I was a bit too harsh in my verdict about that List plugin. The challenge of "overhauling the text engine" (as Harshika and Elaine stated) shouldn't be underestimated ! And comparing it with (or demanding) the typographical capabilities of our cherished heavy-weight InDesign application, just isn't fair. The problem with web type (or app type) in general is that it isn't up to par with all the fancy options we've been using in word processing and layout software for decades (and in non-digital processes for centuries). Web type features are still maturing, even growing into unexpected new directions (like Variable Fonts). And all the legal fuss behind using and distributing type is another area which still needs further development. An application like XD and a company like Adobe needs to behave responsibly. So probably that's why they just implemented a very rudimentary text engine for now, while trying to catch up with what's happening in this digital domain, and hopefully leapfrog into a leading position. Which takes time ! In the meantime, any sign of a more proficient feature in typography in XD, obviously and immediately spurs a lot of rightful complaints and new feature requests. Even a bare bones approach of lists (which were already available in the first proposal for HTML in 1993, and in Adobe PageMill in 1995) will open the proverbial can of worms... So maybe that's why the List plugin deploys a very flawed and un-typographical approach. We'll just have to sit back and wait.

Peter Villevoye · ‎Oct 16, 2020

The Adobe XD team has developed a plugin to create numbered and bulleted lists. It's aptly called "Lists" and can be found and installed through the Plugin panel in XD. However – it's flawed by design (the way to invoke and use it is really very strange), lacks a lot of settings (even very obvious ones), and the flexibility afterwards is just terrible. I don't know if it's the weak textual and typographical underpinnings of the XD application itself is causing all these issues. But this plugin is hardly helping to ease the pain. It's actually adding insult to injury !

Peter Villevoye · ‎Sep 03, 2020

First off: why bring COVID into the equation ? Working remotely has become super important, so certain features like virtual collaboration are useful (and are being implemented, even before COVID was happening). But I don't see how COVID might have any other strong impact on the desired features of Adobe XD. For the rest, I think you're stretching the purpose of Adobe XD too far. The discussion was about adding links to external sources, like another web page, or a YouTube video. Not addressing users who want to slap some stuff together for "very simple and short virtual and interactive presentations that are used on a very temporary basis". Should Adobe XD become the digital Swiss Army knife ? I already have my doubts about that Whiteboard plugin, piggy-backing in Adobe XD. (I truly hope it becomes an app on itself...) Granted – the feature is #4 on the list of top feature requests. But like I said before: most voters are rooting for a technically working hookup to other platforms. I think a feature as described by Fraitz in his reply is much more viable and useful to the proper user base of Adobe XD. But that's also a different issue and discussion.

Peter Villevoye · ‎Aug 26, 2020

The value stands for "thousands of an em", and the "em" stands for the current font size. So in essence, it's a relative size and certainly not a fixed pixel size. Adobe XD loosely based its spacing/tracking value on a typographer's method for defining character spacing. Historically, the character M used to be the widest plain character in the letterpress collection of a font. That M's physical block of lead or wood [see the image in my other reply] often measured as a square in width and height – not entirely coincidentally. Hence the reason why typesetters also used to call that size the "em" or "the square". And that very idea of using a flexible size called em still lives on in CSS ! BTW, the various lengths of dashes also refer to that principle: the em-dash, and the en-dash (half of the em). See this Wikipedia page for their usage, but keep in mind that it differs a lot between languages ! So handing-off your materials to a developer by converting all flexible values into pixels, will result in type not being able to automatically and accordingly scale in responsive designs, and it can't accomodate anymore for accessibility aspects. I.M.H.O. any conversion is better left to front-end developers and their frameworks, because of the difficulties and debates about screen densities. That's why you need to hand it over to a developer (or an intermediate) who also understands these modern and appropriate principles of using flexible sizes. Anyone demanding a 100% pixel-perfect execution from a mockup, is asking for trouble. There's also some trouble with Adobe XD, though. The starting position of text boxes, the height of the baseline within a text box, the way how line height and paragraph spacing is actually adding above and/or below the text line – these are all very ambiguous. The W3C's CSS definitions are very clear on this ! On the other hand, I wonder if browser engines and operating systems are consistent among each other by now...

Peter Villevoye · ‎Aug 21, 2020

After some digging, I've come across this page: https://www.certmetrics.com/adobe/candidate/exam_scheduling.aspx You probably need to register for a CertMetrics account to plan an exam. The Adobe XD exam is in the Creative Cloud section, but "On Demand". So not immediately available...

Peter Villevoye · ‎Aug 21, 2020

@Colin, I understand your fury, but please stick to correct statements and show some dignity in your comment. Adobe is not a monopoly. They have gradually become the largest and most popular developer in imaging and print media, simply by competing with others. And new tools and services like Serif's Affinity suite, Canva, and dozens of imaging apps like ProCreate, are proof of the fact that Adobe is still not a monopoly. In video and animation, Adobe is a strong marketplayer but definitely not the only one. And in web and app design, Adobe is looking like a newbie every 5 years... Like Steve Jobs once said: "We love just trying to make the best products in the world for people and having them tell us by how they vote with their wallets whether we're on track or not."

Peter Villevoye · ‎Aug 20, 2020

First off: the change in Photoshop's Undo was a welcome one, since Photoshop was the odd one out, compared to all other applications (and not even just the Adobe ones). But for the rest, you're totally right. Adobe XD is trying to steer us away from local files, while we're not expecting such an automatically cloud-inclined workflow, yet. There are certainly good reasons to work with a cloud-based file, in order to share and collaborate much easier. And in mobile apps most data resources are almost always cloud-based. But when working on files with computers, our behavior and actions are different. The cloud should still be the secondary option. I've seen users losing work, by closing a cloud-based file after changes they didn't want to get saved. I've seen users losing work, because their network configuration changed while working on a cloud-based file (or leaving it untouched but opened for a longer while), which resulted in a corrupted file. I've seen users losing work, due to their unawareness of the fact that their file was initially saved to the cloud, while later on they were not able to get online when they needed to revisit the file... Mr. Bruce Tognazinni (and me), one of the principals at the renowned NN/G, standing next to a banner quoting one of his ground rules...

Peter Villevoye · ‎Aug 20, 2020

I really wouldn't know. Adobe is currently quite vague in all these certifications and exams...

Peter Villevoye · ‎Aug 13, 2020

There are indeed several typographical settings available in text justification, both in print as in web media. E.g. in Adobe InDesign you can specify the desired and tolerated spacing between characters and/or words, and even allow horizontal character scaling as a method in the setting. These values can subtly alter the overall 'look' of a text, to make it appear more newspaper or magaine style. In web design such CSS settings are also available: https://www.w3schools.com/cssref/css3_pr_text-justify.asp But as I said earlier in this discussion: due to lousy or even missing dictionaries, the algorithms of capable browsers perform a very rough or wrong hyphenation, leaving very large gaps (the space left by every wrapping whole word) to be spread over a text line. Maybe that's not such a big deal in English (which uses far more separated hence smaller words), but it looks horrible in many other languages. And there's a more disturbing problem: most browser don't support any advanced justification settings: https://caniuse.com/#search=text%20justify

Peter Villevoye · ‎Jul 28, 2020

The current version offers the option (from the contextual menu in the Components list) to Highlight all child elements of a component. An extra option to Select them would be helpful in your situation. It's not a feature request yet, so feel free to add it to the list... https://adobexd.uservoice.com/forums/353007-adobe-xd-feature-requests

Peter Villevoye · ‎Jul 28, 2020

The term "pixel" is highly ambiguous, as you can read in my several answers in this thread. According to CSS, they indeed seem to settle the debate on 1/96th of an inch. So on a 96 dpi monitor, a pixel is indeed the very physical pixel. And that's also the size at which Microsoft tends to chime in. Google however doesn't, and they adhere to a totally different idea for Android: their "density pixel" (dp) has a size at a grade, ranging from 120 to a whopping 640 pixels per inch. So any answer which tries to fixate or even indicate the size of a "pixel", is making no sense, as long as huge and crucial stakeholders are using different ideas and standards...

Peter Villevoye · ‎Jul 07, 2020

Well, one indication I have has to do with the "Electron" JavaScript framework. Miro uses that on their (web) app, and from a newer version on, the problem occurred. An older version didn't have the problem. But is it a matter of this software addressing the card, or the processing of the card itself ? I don't know, and I don't have enough time (and knowledge) to sort it all out as a user...

Peter Villevoye · ‎Jul 06, 2020

For what it's worth, I now have THREE applications running into strange screen glitches (partial areas of a canvas or a browser's viewport) on my MacBook Pro 16". One of them is an Adobe web application (running in Chrome), one is the Miro desktop application (based on their web app), and one I can't mention because of NDA conditions (it's a beta product). And they all run fine when I switch off the Radeon card, either in the browser or on system level. It' clear to me that some technologies conflict in some way with this card (and/or its system driver). If it's software, then it's Apple's job to communicate these problems and possible solutions with developers. If it's hardware-related, then the solution will be less easy...

Peter Villevoye · ‎Jun 27, 2020

Would you mind me taking a look at the link and the file ? Feel free to send me an email with URL: peter@studea.nl. Or share the file by inviting me (with same email address).

Peter Villevoye · ‎Jun 27, 2020

Have you tried it recently, as in these days ? I just tested it in Chrome and Safari on my Mac and it's loading not so slow at all. Sure, that huge image might take some time to appear on the canvas, but it's not a matter of minutes – just a few seconds.

Peter Villevoye · ‎Jun 10, 2020

Great solution ! Now how to prevent it from jumping up and down ? Add something like a ghost item to constraint the size ?

Peter Villevoye · ‎Jun 03, 2020

I'm not able to procuce the same incorrect outlines, based on either Outline Path and Expand. I even selected different instances of straight, rounded, and sqaure caps together, with or without stray anchor points (always a nice wrecker to test) to see if that caused any unexpected results. But all methods still work properly... So there must be something else happening in your files. Could you try creating a new sample, to verify whether it's a structural problem of your software version ? Or post a copy of your misbehaving file ?

Peter Villevoye · ‎Jun 03, 2020

You're right. The last months the former resource landing page (and the sample files) have been declared outdated. The new resource page for Google Material Design is now here: https://material.io/resources, but there are no XD downloads (yet). I think the team needs to let XD connect to a different page now, and submit new XD files with updated materials.

Peter Villevoye · ‎May 28, 2020

I'm curious to see how this "9949" text or object is created. Could you create a screenshot in Outline mode, or check what the Appearance panel says about it ?

Peter Villevoye · ‎May 28, 2020

First of all: stop using EPS files ! They're unnecessary large, and much more tedious to open and save, every time. What are these 2000 new versions needed for ? Do you really need them to be EPS for your purpose ? And what do you mean by "15 MP", something like 5000 x 3000 or 4000 x 4000 pixels ? Maybe it's better to simply render them into a high-res JPEG, by using the Image Processor from Bridge (letting Photoshop to do the math). You can use Bridge to filter any orientation and set the batch-conversion to the desired pixel size. This process will render it to the proper and proportional maximum value, whatever size fits first (width or height).

Peter Villevoye · ‎May 28, 2020

Are your drawing in Outline mode ? Check if the second command under View let's you switch to: Preview.

Peter Villevoye · ‎May 28, 2020

For an SVG like this, it's a reasonable content/filesize (20KB) Depending on your WordPress installation, it might not support SVG in general. https://wpengine.com/resources/enable-svg-wordpress/

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