Decisions from on high?

[_Phos_four_dots_]

Is this the bean-counter's folly, or were actual users given preview to offer feedback?

Will we be able to offer suggestions and have them seriously considered before implementation is finalized?

What worries me the most is the track record for this sort of thing. Seems the web team hasn't been able to get much right when left to their own devices. How is this time going to be different?

If the web team and admins have only learned ONE thing, let's hope they finally understand that MORE open dialogue with users/customers is better than less dialogue and imperious decision-making.

(I feel like an abused family member being asked to stick around because the abuser has promised for the umpteenth time that they'll never do the bad thing ever again)

[Guest]

<obi wan>I've got a bad feeling about this.</obi wan>

[Chris Cox]

You are not alone in that feeling.

Sometimes, there has to be some imperious decision making - because the decision makers have access to information that the general public does not (and should not).

I think that we've learned from past mistakes. I think we're on the right track. But I'm keeping a close, anxious eye on it.

[SteveG_AudioMasters_]

>Sometimes, there has to be some imperious decision making - because the decision makers have access to information that the general public does not (and should not).

Like with the Banking system, you mean?

Elsewhere, it says

>To minimize disruption, we are transferring the last 12 months of postings to the new Adobe Forums.

As well as being active on the Audition forum, I administer another forum related very much to Audition, where we have managed over two major transitions to keep the last 9-10 years of posts. They really don't take up that much room, either. Since a lot of valuable information is contained in any posts of this nature, I don't see how this constitutes 'minimised disruption' - it just means that a load of stuff has to be rekeyed, quite unnecessarily, because information they might be able to find this way simply won't be available. And I really don't believe that this is a storage issue...

>I think that we've learned from past mistakes.

I wish I had your confidence.

[_Phos_four_dots_]

I love ya Chris, but perhaps you should stick to working on Photoshop?

Use your powers for good, not for obtuse, preemptive defense plans.

:)

[Guest]

> Ability to get noticed: Earn points through participation that demonstrate your expertise in the community.

you can use them at the Adobe Store, right? Otherwise they'd be sort of silly, right?

>I think that we've learned from past mistakes. I think we're on the right track. But I'm keeping a close, anxious eye on it.

I think as long as they keep the speed up and don't clutter the page with junk like avitars and junk, they'll do fine.

[_Phos_four_dots_]

Dense, fast, well-organized info.

The rest is lipstick.

[Guest]

to ask a "sensitive" question... will there be an option to "ignore" certain posters?

[john_cornicello__retired_]

No ignore option (though I have requested it). However, if participating via email you can handle that via filters and not even have to visit the forum pages.

[Guest]

ok. thanks. are you sticking with webx or going with another product? and if another? what is it (if you can tell us).

[john_cornicello__retired_]

As noted in the FAQ, we are going to a completely new system. The new forums will be based on the latest Jive Clearspace Community platform.

[Guest]

wow. cool. :)

[john_cornicello__retired_]

Whew! Glad to hear that response.

[Guest]

;)

[Guest]

An example forum would appear to be http://communities.vmware.com/community/vmtn/vam/studio

[Kath-H]

Looks a bit phbb. At least there isn't tons of space wasted by each post with needless fluff.

[Jacob Bugge]

The appearance of that forum is not very comforting.

[Guest]

are all forums moving? including <cough><s>the photoshop lounge</s> that place<cough><cough>? 🙂

[JayJhabrix]

As Jacob said...

What i like about the current forums (ahem... fora,) is the lack of clutter...

"If it ain't broke, why fix it?"

However, i do notice that there is a distinct difference in the original Adobe forums and the ones that were moved over from Macromedia...

JJ

[Claudio González]

Maybe this thread is more adequate for this post of mine:

Claudio González, "Why here, not there?" #2, 12 Feb 2009 5:41 pm

[D__McCahill]

> that place

Well, if they don't have a lounge, there will be more off topic stuff in main forums. Best to segregate the insanity.

[excited_Genie16B8]

>The appearance of that forum is not very comforting.

Agreed. Definitely a step down from the current look, which is the best I've ever seen.

[Bill12]

I looked at the link in post 14 and the messages had the same wasted avatar space and such that many have been saying to leave out. I clicked on one of the topics and there were only 3 messages on the first screen with tons of dead space. That is the waste that is not acceptable. Leave the avatar format with a left box for the poster info as an option. Otherwise, post a 1 line bit about the poster as currently used in this forum with a link (the name) to more info if desired.

In reading the other posts about the new look (like expect the change in April 2009), I am not hopeful. I think that the comments about simple, no background, and leaving the avatar and signature blocks as an option will likely all be ignored. Be prepared to have some spare time in April. Bill

[Guest]

One of my considerations is how threads print out if a user would like to make a hard copy of a topic. I'd like to see it print out to nicely fill the page without a lot of wasted space either to the left or the right and not spitting out numerous pages taken up with quoted posts that appeared previously. The new software, even if it does not allow NNTP (still a question) has a reply link to include quotes... as it comes out of the box anyway.

[Guest]

john c, will the final format be close to this?

http://forums.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=640346&messageID=4002089#4002089

(i'm aikodude at the bottom, thanking a poster for providing a solution)

imo, this is a very usable format, with little wasted space. it also shows an example of a code snippet box.

thanks, dave