Legacy Title: Why are you still using it?

Several valid reasons were given. I hope this thread was done out of concern for the users and Adobe has decided to keep the Legacy Titler and perhaps revamp it a little.

Why do I still use Legacy Title? Because I have been using Premiere since CS3 and I have thousands of titles saved via specific folders. I use 50-70 titles per 1 hour project, but I only have to create 10 or so for any new project because of the ones I have saved, so the clunky having to reset the window every time I need a new title does not aggravate me as much since I'm mostly drag and drop. All those titles take up very little space. Yes, it takes Premiere a long time to open, worse than Dreamweaver, but that's OK. I'm kind of slow, so as far as I know there is NO way to save my titles and I can not open them or convert them with the new title maker. Can I?? I will not live long enough to save all of them to media files. When Adobe removes the Legacy Title Maker and I lose all my titles I will quit Adobe. I know, they could care less, but that is 95% of my work. If my understanding is wrong please tell me. Will I lose all my work? Is there a work around?

The video link should shed light on why many people still use the legacy title tool.

https://youtu.be/QjyWL_1rH-c 

The migration process is they've allowed the old one to be used for several years while the new one has been fleshed out ... and been recommending from every source they've got that users move to the new EGP and abandon working in the Legacy Titler.

You said the process should be over several years ... and it has been. I just wouldn't expect it to go on much longer.

That we've been in the migration process for years seems clear enough to me. I do realize for some, they prefer the layout of the old tool. But whether the old tool or new one is more sensible for any one user kind of misses the reality here ... the old tool is an ancient tool, and is going away at some point. We all know that ... at some point, to me, you just have to move on.

I had to leave working with SpeedGrade. Yea, I know the pain. And we dropped a TON more capablity going from then-SpeedGrade and then Lumetri than between the current Legacy Titler and current EGP.

The comparisons to the ESP are not even necessarily useful, let alone the consideration if they're valid. Each tool is a different thing. But ... the ESP was designed for the rapid use by the tons of editors who don't need to get into the weeds, just get something adequate done and that quickly. Which the ESP does allow.

Note, any effect used in the ESP then appears in the ECP, and can be modified there to suit. I know a number of editors who complained about the ESP at first ... then realized that within certain processes, it actually was a quick way to apply basic changes, and then they go into the ECP without having to grab an effect from the Effects panel first. As the ESP had applied the effect to the clip.

The ESP was designed as a quick ... substitute? ... for going to the Audio effects list, that could be used instead of or alongside working with the full Audio effects listings.

The EGP was not conceived of as a simplified shortcut, but as evolving into a complete tool for doing the graphics work. Which is why they have allowed the use of both while the EGP was brought up to specs better. And over the last four years, they have brought the EGP a long way. It's got nearly any capability of the Titler, and some things that the Titler can't.

Yea, we're all still pushing for more shapes that you can simply choose from a list than create ... and a few other things. But for the most part, the EGP is usable for most anything you can need. If it isn't, then it's work for Ae. But then, it would be work for Ae anyway at that point.

Neil

John,

They've been as clear as humanly possible in many blog posts, replies here, and presentations at NAB and IBC and MAX. There is no way to simply transfer titles from the old titler to the EGP/motion graphics process, nor do they expect this to ever happen. While all of us would wish this otherwise, it ain't gonna happen.

I think the reason they've carried the Titler along this far is primarily because of carrying along the old projects still using it. And when it seems that those projects are so old to be ancient by broadcast standards, it will cease to exist. They have all sorts of ways for creating metrics, and I think that from comments at MAX last fall, the Titler is not used all that much as a percentage of the user base. And dropping.

As to the name, I'm not sure where you got the assumptions about the name. They used the same pattern as for the Essential Sound panel ... not as a temporary item in any way shape or form, or transitional ... but as the "home" for graphics tools in a Panel, as the Essential Sound Panel is for sound. And though named differently, as the Lumetri Panel is for color.

If you note, in all three panels, you do not need to apply an effect to a clip on a sequence before using the controls. With a panel like the ESP, EGP, and Lumetri open, when you touch the controls they are applied to any currently selected clip. That is where a Panel applying sound, graphics, or color differs from an effect used to apply sound, graphics, or color differences.

Neil

I've been pushing for some time that we get more shape options and capabilities, such as being able to set say an angle of a vertice so no matter whether you scale both axis, or scale one, the angle of that vertice would not change.

You can make most shapes by creating several shapes, some used to mask parts of something else so the result is the shape you want. Then use the "pinning" controls so the mask shapes stay where they need to for any motion or scaling.

But I want vertice angle controls, along with several other shapes pre-built.

Neil

I don't know what it is like in other countries, but in Japan, it's extremely common to decorate text with gradation. That was the number one advantage of the legacy title. As you said, I don't think it's good to continue using legacy titles forever. However, if they can't produce the same quality, Essential Graphics Text will continue to be rated lower than Legacy titles (in Japan). It takes too much effort to prepare an asset for gradient and process it with a mask. By all means, I want the Essential Graphics panel to be able to be set quickly like a legacy title.

John,

Every keyboard shortcut for the olde-tyme Legacy Titler was ported out to simply being a graphics keyboard short in I think April of 2019, so ... yes, you can use about every keyboard shortcut from the Titler in EGP work.

I'd been after that pretty directly with some of the staff at NAB and MAX. As had many, many others. And yea, it's SO much better to be able to nudge 1 or 5 pixels with a key-press. Increase/decrease font ... yea ...

Neil

Keyboard Shortcuts? 

It seems like a feature request is being created for the EGP. Putting the titles in the bin should be number 1 on the list.