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Legacy Title: Why are you still using it?

Forum|Forum|5 years ago
May 13, 2020
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Hello fellow editors. I know that a lot of us are still using the Legacy Titler for our titling duties in Premiere Pro.

While "change" is never fun, my impression is that some people just have not taken the time to learn or become fluid or fluent with the tools, and that's understandable.

I've found the new title tools pretty compelling. I've swtiched to them. I found that some people are not even aware of the tools or how they function. Surprisingly, making a simple .mogrt is something many have not even tried. Sound familiar? No problem, here's the documentation.

Please respond here as to why you are using Legacy Titler below and I will pass along the feedback to the Premiere Pro team. Not here to judge, just to provide good feedback.

Thanks in advance for your feedback.

Kevin

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shooternz

Legend

Long time fan and advocate for the Legacy Titler but I have been away from Premiere for about five years and things have happened.

Thought I better give Essential Graphics a fairtrial run and explore and see how it would have fitted into my well established work flows...mostly in the post production of TV Commmercial spots. ie graphic and images.

I usually worked with a client art director/ designer in the room at this point FWIW

So a basic easy start...how do I get super imposed letters over my video frame?

From the Edit Work space I simply select the T Icon and click it on the Program Monitor.

Yes I can type on Text and it appears directly on the sequence above my video frame. So far so good.

Now I need attributes for the text so ...I guess I open Essential Graphics Pane...Whats this. BROWSE TEMPLATES...huh?...art director looks at me!!!

Oh...there is an EDIT Button...oh...ok....Yep ...confusing...but that works

Now I probably need some controls...EFX Control Window and keyframes maybe. Yep that works.

Ok leave it there for now and do the next graphic...and so on...

Thing is...where is my Title Asset in the Project when we want to revisit, duplicate, modify, do an alternative based on same title, use in an alternative edit/ project....... Reveal in Project (greyed out)

Might have missed something...but I never had a graphic I could not achieve in Premiere Legacy, Photoshop,, AEFX from a blank video frame.

Maybe I am too Legacy myself to work without assets in Bins or Project but it was common for me to stack graphics, titles, logos all from different asests and sources. PSDs, AEX, PNG, Premiere Titler...etc

Question...why is it called ESSENTIAL GRAPHICS? Meaningless to me.

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Warren Heaton10841144

Community Expert

If we use Graphics > Upgrade to Source Graphics then the Graphic behaves like any source clip, including being in the Project tab or Bin tab as well as any edits made to the Source Geaphic showing in any instances of it.

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Warren Heaton10841144

Community Expert

I'm not sure if this information is helpful or not: Going back to Premiere 3.0, I've always made titles in Photoshop, Illustrator, and/or After Effects.

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bruces96534395

Participating Frequently

Thanks Kevin, but I can't imagine that you don't know that essential graphics is not even close to as good as legacy title.

It's like trying to convice us that we should replace our LED lights with a karoene lamp. Yes we can all learn to fill and light the lamp, but why in the heck would we? .

R Neil Haugen

Legend

As someone who started of course before the "Legacy Titler" was "legacy" ... I'm interested in rather more a specific answer than a generalization.

I haven't needed to use the Legacy for some time, personally. And thankfully we've got the capability in the EGP now to generate all sorts of shapes and round corners and what not.

So ... specifically, so it is USEFUL to people like the developers ... what is missing in the EGP, or is slower? That is useful data.

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

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Zeppedeus van Hoygsma

Participating Frequently

I posted this before and never got an answer. The old title tool let you add depth to the font, which is important for Japanese and probably Chinese subtitles. I'm winging it at the moment with a non-blurry shadow, but it's not the same.

Also, the new title tool makes it reeeeeally easy to accidentally change the size by double clicking on a given title and then somehow making it smaller or bigger. Just a few percent, but it happened to me on a regular basis. So I'm using the new title tool but still not liking it for the most part.

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edwardc41603475

Participant

Becuae its simple and it works for my needs for creating rolling credits and simple titles with strokes.

It takes too long to do the same thing with graphics.

Why not have both.

Kevin-Monahan

Author

Community Manager

Hi edward,

Becuae its simple and it works for my needs for creating rolling credits and simple titles with strokes.

It takes too long to do the same thing with graphics.

Why not have both.

Let the product team know your thoughts. I agree that rolls and crawls are harder to do. https://adobe-video.uservoice.com/forums/911233-premiere-pro/suggestions/34577332-please-do-not-eliminate-the-legacy-title-creator-i

Thanks,
Kevin

Kevin Monahan - Sr. Community & Engagement Strategist – Pro Video and Audio

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bruces96534395

Participating Frequently

I'm sure most of us professionals would agree that we are not at all afraid of change.In fact, we welcome it. But change and advancement are 2 very different things. Change for the sake of change or change that diminishes your product makes no sense. Please examin your product and talk to people like us that use it every day, if you really want to know how to move forward. Unless you make essential at least as good as legacy, your "change" is a giant step backwards.

Dale - TC

Known Participant

And I'm sure others here feel the same way, but upgrades should never TAKE AWAY features that editors feel useful (e.g., horizontal crawls, or ENCORE - some of us still like to master to disc! - you should have kept and improved Encore and added 4K blu-ray capability).

Dale - TC

Known Participant

There was an issue with Encore in that the 'authoring' propcess was licensed from another company. Which was bought out by another company who didn't want to keep licensing that code anymore. Adobe didn't have any option about ending that particular version.

I'm one who also wishes they'd rebuilt it around another licensed authoring process. Although ... personally ... I haven't 'burned' a disc in over two years now. My big hot 24-core new computer doesn't even have an optical drive, nor does my high-end laptop.

The easy process for horizontal scrolls would certainly be a good thing to have!

I also keep pushing for a shapes library. And an easier process for storing graphics with projects as so often, the graphics are very job-specific and will not be used for other purposes. So when we archive the project, we need to be able to archive the graphics with it rather than keep every graphic we've ever created on live local storage or a CC library.

Neil

Well, I wish Adobe had just outright BOUGHT the authoring technology, as it was one of the most user-friendly and intuitive interfaces (others will disagree with me) I've ever used for authoring a DVD or blu-ray. It seems a lot of people I talk to are fine with just having their raw media and finished productions on solid-state flash memory, SSD, etc., but I have a discomfort level with that (and not because I'm resistant to change). From what I've read, flash memory of all types are still pretty volatile and we don't know how long they'll last. I think the computing industry is still shortsighted as far as not having a present-day technology that can act as a true archive technology - I'm talking about one that can last AT LEAST 100 years, preferably thousands, so we can always access records of things (especially important where I work, a county government where someone may want to access one of our meetings years or decades from now, for research or whatever). Why is it that today (thousands of years later) we can still see at least ruins of the Colosseum or read Egyptian hieroglyphics, but we can't make a computer storage medium last that long and keep its data intact? That's what scares me. And most of us don't have Hollywood money to print back to film.

As for one-off projects, that's fine, but what if you want to create a project that's episodic in nature, where you might want to have different sequences for different episodes within one project, but just have a Titles bin where you can drag and drop the same titles onto different sequences as you work on them? Seems a lot easier to me than having to copy and paste from one sequence to another.

damianmartorana

Participant

There was NOTHING wrong with Legacy ... you just need stuff to do to keep your jobs. Stop playing around with stuff EDITORS use.

Kevin-Monahan

Author

Community Manager

Hi Damian,

Sorry for the frustration. As I understand it, the main problem was that the old code was untenable moving forward.

Stop playing around with stuff EDITORS use.

This is a user to user forum, mainly. Let the team know your feelings here: Premiere Pro User Voice That's where they engage with editors.

Thank You,
Kevin

Kevin Monahan - Sr. Community & Engagement Strategist – Pro Video and Audio

Dale - TC

Known Participant

I've mostly gotten used to the new Graphics now, but...

1. I still have some older projects that I may be asked to go back in and re-edit and have to change a title that may have been created in Legacy Title. If that completely goes away, will I need to recreate that title from scratch?

2. On the new Graphics tool, how do I do true rolls and crawls? I do a lot of PSA's with crawling text on the lower third, and while I know I can keyframe the entire text block to move from A to B on the screen, I would like to be able to see what I'm typing by having the text move continuously as I type to create it, as I could with a real crawl option.

R Neil Haugen

Legend

They have the new process to update Legacy titles to master or source graphics, something like that. It can handle a number of things from the old Titler, but unfortunately not all effects. So some things you might have to redo in the new title it creates.

As to crawls ... I see you mean horizontal scrolling text, right?

Neil

Everyone's mileage always varies ...

Dale - TC

Known Participant

Yes, horizontal scrolling text. It's pretty common on television still to this day, and Adobe had the capability before; I'm not sure why Adobe "taketh away" certain features they once spent time and money developing prior.

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bruces96534395

Participating Frequently

First of all, if you're going to discontinue a useful tool, you should make sure its replacment is at least as usful, hopfully even better. This is not the case with essential graphics. One easy example it adding a graphic image to titles. In legacy its a click of a button. In essential graphics, it's darn near impossible. A even if you go through all the gyrations and use only the 2 perscribed graphic types, you still have to try to sync the roll of the logo, etc. with the original verbiage. In legacy you simply import a wide verity of graphic types, place them where you want them and the scroll with the rest. So please at least fix this before you discontinue Legacy.

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Andy 1968

Inspiring

Last but not least image quality. I am sticking with the Legacy Titler.

mickpeninsulaTV

Known Participant

The Legacy Titles are vastly better than the new graphics version.

Here's why:

1. It's really fast - the new version slows down the edit and is very fiddlly, not good for floow or fast editing, which we do a lot of here (never met an editor that likes working with new titles (we did a 26 ep sewries with it and nearly pulled our hair out, because of the extra amount of time it took to make an adjustment).

2. If we want fancy titles, we would create it in AE, not Premiere.

3. Leagacy titles - Stability, Stability & Stability....

The new titles have crashed every machine in the office, and have cause significant distruption.

4. Sending text to clients and mastering houses is really quick and seamless, new version is not.

Hope that will give you an idea why many editors prefer it and I wish Adobe would stop trying to re-invent the wheel.

jstrawn

Community Manager

2. If we want fancy titles, we would create it in AE, not Premiere.

By @mickpeninsulaTV

I'm not sure what exactly you consider fancy, but it's really easy to make a text layer with the Type tool and then change its Font, Size, Fill, Stroke, Shadow and Background or other thigns to make it stand out a little more over your video. You can also apply transitions like cross dissolve to it like you would with any other piece of media.

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