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Participating Frequently
May 8, 2013

Adobe's 10Q statements make interesting reading. At AdobeMax Creative Cloud was presented to the creative community as a boon. In Q3 of 2012 is was a risk.  See the section on risks in "Part II: Other Information" in the following PDF.

http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/invrelations/pdfs/ADBE_10Q_Q312_FINAL_Certified.pdf

Participating Frequently
May 8, 2013

Page 42 :

This cloud strategy requires continued investment in product development and cloud operations, and may give rise to a number of risks, including the following:

  • if new or current customers desire only perpetual licenses, our subscription sales may lag behind expectations;
  • although we continue to support our perpetual license business, the increased emphasis on a cloud strategy may raise concerns among our installed customer base;
  • we may be unsuccessful in maintaining our target pricing and new seat adoption;
  • our revenues are expected to decline over the short term and may decline over the long term as a result of this strategy;
  • our shift to a subscription licensing model may result in potential confusion among our customers, partners, resellers and investors;
  • our relationships with existing partners that resell perpetual licenses may be damaged; and
  • we may incur costs at a higher than forecasted rate as we expand our cloud operations.

Participating Frequently
May 8, 2013

And in Adobe's most rcent 10Q (http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/financials/drawFiling.asp?docKey=137-000079634313000033-3JJH6COTGVM2315363RQT9OMAH&docFormat=HTM&formType=10-Q) the Company says:

"Subscription pricing allows customers to use our products at a lower initial cost when compared to the sale of a perpetual license. Although the subscription model is designed to increase the number of customers who purchase our products and services and create a recurring revenue stream that is more predictable, it creates certain risks related to the timing of revenue recognition and potential reductions in cash flows."

Note that phrase "lower initial cost"

Participating Frequently
May 8, 2013

I foresee headaches for creatives at corporate jobs trying to convince higher ups that their software requires a subscription.  It's very difficult to get one occasional purchase through in the corporate world, let alone a purchase every month until the end of time.  It was tough enough in my own experience to get the company to pay for a new release every year and a half.  Not every creative producer is self-employed  and can only beg so much of the company before being a negative blip on some executive's radar.

Personally, I'm not totally opposed to the subscription idea (lower price or eventually owning the software would really help convince me).  There's certainly a middle ground to explore.

lasvideo
lasvideoAuthor
Inspiring
May 8, 2013

Jack - "Personally, I'm not totally opposed to the subscription idea (lower price or eventually owning the software would really help convince me). "

If I could eventually own it I would be up in the clouds in a flash. 

tclark513
Known Participant
May 8, 2013

lasvideo wrote:

Jack - "Personally, I'm not totally opposed to the subscription idea (lower price or eventually owning the software would really help convince me). "

If I could eventually own it I would be up in the clouds in a flash. 

That makes two of us.  Unfortunately it won't happen so on to better things.

Inspiring
May 7, 2013

Here's a link to Walter Biscardi talking about new features in Premiere Pro CC. Not a direct comment on the CC itself, but thought some folks would like to know anyway:

http://blogs.creativecow.net/blog/12706/my-adobe-premiere-pro-next-top-ten

Steven L. Gotz
Inspiring
May 8, 2013

I think Walter needs to cut down on the coffee. I feel like I need to import it into Premiere Pro and slow it down to watch it.

artofzootography.com
Participant
May 7, 2013

I've been using After Effects as secondary compositing system for years (main being AVID DS, though, as it's slowly been dying for years, we are looking into alternatives). Eventually I even purchased a CS license for myself to doodle around with at home, although I really only needed Photoshop and After Effects.

Like others have already expressed I, too, am immensely disappointed about yesterdays announcement. The whole thing was a big kick in the teeth for me. I will NOT be moving to the cloud. The simple reason is, that I want to own the software I pay for. If Adobe can offer a way for CC users to opt-out of the membership, while keeping a working installation, it may be a valid course to take. But I'm not holding my breath and suppose, that Adobe will lose me and the company I work for, which was ironically just about to switch their editing suites from Media Composer to Premiere, as customers.

... thanks for all the fish.

May 7, 2013

Of course, the ironic thing about this is that if they weren't diong the non-standard rental thng, I'd upgrade to CC in a heartbeat.

As a professional software developer I've subscribed to MSDN (a developer tools subscription plaan) and other such things and it's typically a great value. In no small part because at the end of a year, I still own the software I got during my subscription period whether I renew or not. It doesn't vanish into the ether. This is common practice not just in the MS world but many other tool suppliers.

lasvideo
lasvideoAuthor
Inspiring
May 7, 2013

Excellent point Christopher.

May 7, 2013

I was actually excited about CC when it first came out for just that reason. I'm a big fan of subscription models.

Participating Frequently
May 6, 2013

Ironically, in their greedy quest to insure perpetual revenue, Adobe has just tossed out a huge incentive to hackers.

Participating Frequently
May 6, 2013

Since the beginning of time artists have been able to create art with tools that they owned.

Now, in one of the most gobsmackingly arrogant moves in the history of art, Adobe's corporate leadership has become diluded to the point where it thinks it can speak not only on behalf of all "creatives" but on behalf of the very "creative process" itself. http://www.adobe.com/cc/letter.html

I haven't been this mad since Apple told me I needed a new way to edit.

My new name for Adobe shall be Aborg. Resistence, apparently, will be futile.

Legend
May 6, 2013

Since the beginning of time artists have been able to create art with tools that they owned.

Most Hollywood motion pictures have been created using rented Panavision cameras.  It's only with the advent of Digital Cinematography that production companies can start to own the cameras they shoot with.

Participating Frequently
May 7, 2013

Panavision was founded in 1953, so "most" Hollywood films were not created by using rented Panavision cameras. Even after 1953, many films weren't made with Panavision equipment. There were always viable alternatives in use, and the system never had the near-monolopy status that Adobe products have in the graphic/digital design/production marketplace.

Adobe's  announcement seems to me to be mostly a financial move designed to leverage that near-monopoly status to improve cash flow and make it more predictable. I think it will prove to be problematic for the company in the long run, but we'll see.

Jeff Bellune
Legend
May 6, 2013

We will continue to sell and support Adobe Creative Suite® 6 applications, and will provide bug fixes and security updates as necessary. We do not, however, have any current plans to release new versions of our CS applications.

So for existing CS6 users, hope of bug fixes is not dead yet.  It's only the new stuff that will be exclusive to the cloud. 

Whether or not Premiere Pro CS6 bug fixes actually appear, and how long Adobe will continue to support CS6, are questions that will be answered in time.  I hope that time comes soon and that the answers are positive.

Jeff

May 6, 2013

Given the rather extreme breach of trust the CC move constitutes, I wouldn't count on anything that resembles customer service. Quite the contrary. With the predatory practices they're now engaging in, it's simply not in their best interests to service CS 6. The sooner they can convince customers to ditch it, the faster they can hook them into a lifetime of monthly billing.

Since May 4th was just a couple of days ago, I hear two words ringing in my ears.

"Run, Luke."

May 6, 2013

I guess the real question at this point is what are my other options. There's Avid, which is about twice the price, though I hear it's no less buggy than Adobe. Then there's FCP, which would almost tempt me to buy a Mac were FCP X not such a controversial release. Either way, if they're not holding a gun to my head for the rest of my life, they're still more appealing. I don't react well to extortion.

I've invested in AE plugins from Video Copilot and Red Giant (both are very ethical companies and have excellent customer service, by the way) which will be lost money when I leave Adobe, plus the cost of replicating those features on the new platform. I'm currently on CS 4 because I haven't gotten around to going 64 bit on my hardware. Was planning on doing that and upgrading to CS 6 this year but that's a non starter now. So, while like many others I feel completely screwed here, at least I didn't buy CS 6 so that money can go towards whatever my new home is.

So, besides Avid & FCP, what platforms are you guys looking at? Not just for Premiere but also AE & Photoshop?

Participating Frequently
May 6, 2013

Extremely disappointed at this news!  I have CS6, but have stuck with CS5.5 for the majority of my projects simply because of the AVCHD and MXF bugs.  I was going to be one of the first ones to drop some $$ for CS7.

But now, I’m going to look at other vendors, probably Sony Vegas or Edius. 

Very poor decision IMO to eliminate the boxed versions.

Known Participant
May 6, 2013

I too was ready to pay for a new version, in hopes that it would fix the cache buffering issue which causes footage to lag on my system and many others, but it looks like I won't have that opportunity.  I have no problem with them changing their business model, that's the way it goes.  But it seems only fair that recent purchasers, say less than a year, should be given some type of financial incentive to move over to the cloud.

More importantly, I certainly hope that Adobe lives up to its word and shows its existing customers the respect they deserve by robustly addressing bug fixes in CS6.

Premiere's rapid adoption is very recent, and a lack of respect for the customer base will drive people to a new title just as fast as they came over to Premiere.  IfAdobe thinks its product is so wonderful and its lock on the market is so secure, they should remember Avid and Apple.

Steven L. Gotz
Inspiring
May 6, 2013

I tried. Could not get in.

artofzootography.com
Inspiring
May 6, 2013

Try here:

http://tremolo.edgesuite.net/clients/1086_adobe/20130504_max/desktop/index.html?promoid=KFLAK

It is live now.

No more 'CS'... next version is 'CC' (Creative Cloud)!

Is Maxon Cinema 4D Lite bundled with Ae Cloud Subscription only?

Jason Levine only mentioned Cloud download.

New "CC" licensing allows concurrent use on two systems!

Are the available fonts for Creative Cloud Subscription only?

CC access is all Jeff Veen mentioned re: fonts.

Did I really just hear that all new features are Cloud Subscription only?

I guess the Pen is Mightier than the box.

John T Smith
Community Expert
Community Expert
May 15, 2013

Biggles Lamb wrote:

Jim

I do not care how Adobe would keep track of it, its their problem. 

They are not getting any subscription from me until there is changes to the rental cost and there is a promise that the software I have rented will continue to work after the end of my rental period if I have rented it for X period of time

p.s sorry Steven for the incorrect spelling

Hello Biggles Lamb,

Tell the product team what you are thinking: http://www.adobe.com/go/wish

That's the best way to let us know what you want.

Best,

Kevin


>Tell the product team

I did, with a link to the idea that I posted in #784

I received a reply from "Shivangi Moitra from Adobe Global Customer Service Escalation Team"

I'm not going to post the entire email here, but "paraphrased" he said he was sorry that I was not happy with the change, and he then went on to list all the benefits of the Cloud

He said that my idea "has been forwarded to the appropriate team"

At this point, that is all I can do... well, that and not subscribe to the Cloud