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‎Aug 25, 2025
07:25 PM
Kurt, you hit the nail on the head. And instead of "expanded", I would prefer that it keeps the attribute as it was in the original object. For example, expanding a rectangle results in two objects: one with the fill and one with the stroke. In the "instantiation" process, I would prefer to keep the rectangle as one object with a fill and a stroke.
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‎Aug 25, 2025
05:09 AM
I wanted to have multiple copies on the page but didn't want to position them each manually. So doing everything via transform FX is convenient but doesn't allow me to later edit each copy if I want to, unless I expand appearance or in the case of symbols, unless I delink from the symbol.
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‎Aug 25, 2025
03:29 AM
Hi Kurt. You're right, that is an option. In my case, I wanted to avoid symbols here because of other unrelated issues but perhaps I should reconsider.
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‎Aug 25, 2025
02:15 AM
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Hi Abhishek. Thanks for your reply. It sounds as though you got what I meant. Perhaps some users, like Monika Gause, will be able to suggest useful alternative approaches however. I won't be making an entry in UserVoice though. That is Adobe's job, in my opinion.
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‎Aug 25, 2025
02:11 AM
Hi Monika. I will try to rephrase the example. I draw a line, that is my object. I then apply Transform FX to it, where I set a horizontal shift of +1 inch, and number of copies 2. The result will be one object. On the artboard however, I will have the original object, and two identical copies of the object spaced 1 inch to its right. What I would like is to somehow convert those two copies into objects in their own right. Those two objects must share all attributes of the original object they are copies of, including all FX, except for the "copy" part. This is what I mean by "instantiate". I can see that this is going to be a problem, especially for Illustrator to determine what "copy" to keep in Transform FX and which to discard. Expand Appearance creates visually the result I want. Each converted copy is now an editable oject, but the objects are no longer sharing the same attributes as the original object they copied (the converted original object is also not similar to the original object itself because it was expanded). Is that any clearer? I could try German next if that is still not clear. 😉
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‎Aug 24, 2025
10:55 PM
Hi. Is there a way to "instantiate" the copy(ies) of an object when the copy is done through Transform FX? In other words, say I have an object I copy 2 times in Transform FX where I have applied a horizontal shift of 1 in. Can I turn those two copies into actual objects, as exact duplicates of the original object (to which the Transform FX was applied)?
The only way that comes close is via Expand Appearance but that creates altered copies of the original object, not exact copies. So it is not what I am looking for. By "altered copies", I mean for example that any live FX applied to the original object are expanded and not maintained as live FX when the copy is expanded.
This is for CS4 but answers for any version are welcome.
Thanks.
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‎Jul 02, 2025
07:07 PM
Hi Monika. I'm not sure I understand what you mean. You mean "duplicate" the same object by applying a Transform effect to it and use the copy feature in Transform? If that is the case, it's a good idea but it won't work for me or it would make it quite complicated to deal with as I need to change other parameters of the duplicate object (stroke, fill, etc.), while keeping Tweak intact.
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‎Jul 02, 2025
09:50 AM
Adobe's help states for Tweak FX: Randomly curves and distorts path segments inward and outward. It looks as though random is different every time an instance of the Tweak effect is applied. So I can have a rectangle, apply Tweak, and have another identical rectangle and apply Tweak to it too, and they will look different! I want to copy the "randomness" of Tweak from my rectangle to another identical rectangle so they will look exactly the same when Tweak is applied. The only way I have found is to duplicate the rectangle with Tweak already applied to it. Is there any other way that I could duplicate the Tweak effect (and its randomness) without duplicating the entire object it was applied to? This is in CS4. Thanks.
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‎Jul 01, 2025
06:44 AM
Hi Monika. Paste Remembers Layers was selected all along, I forgot to mention it. If not, all the layers would have been lost right from the outset.
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‎Jul 01, 2025
05:17 AM
Hi, I am trying to copy and paste an object which spans multiple layers from one file to another. More generally, I would also like to be able to copy/paste such object within the same file. Let me give an example. -Object A in file F1 has its items on layers L1 and L2. We can assume all objects on L1 and L2 belong to A but that may not be necessarily the case. There may be other items on these layers that don't belong to A. -I want to copy A to file F2 and preserve its structure with layers L1 and L2 in the new file F2. -One issue is that there is already a layer named L1 in F2. I don't want to change its name. -I would be happy to copy object A into a new layer called object_A in file F2, with object_A having sublayers L1 and L2. -Eventually, I would like to work with object A in file F2 and duplicate it, preserving its layers. For instance, the duplicate could be assigned layer object_B with its ownl sublayers L1 and L2. -If all goes well, file F2 might have these layers (no indent) and sublayers (indent): L1 object_A L1 L2 object_B L1 L2 I am unable to do that. Is it possible without too much complexity? I tried a variety of things like creating a layer in F2 to host the object and entering isolation mode, then pasting, but all the object's layers are lost. I created layers with the same names L1 and L2 in F2, then pasted the copied object A and pasted but they did not go into L1 and L2 I created, rather, they went into the original L1 and L2. I tried other methods but no luch so far. I browsed through the forum and found an unanswered post that is remotely related. https://community.adobe.com/t5/illustrator-discussions/issue-with-preserve-layers-when-using-paste-on-all-art-boards/m-p/8708302 In my case, this is in CS4. Thanks.
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‎Jun 01, 2025
08:47 PM
Monika, it's my "solution", as you say, but it's not a solution to the original post. So it's not a correct answer!
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‎May 31, 2025
11:01 AM
Monika, I wrote in one of the posts that I decided to use symbols. It was the best trade-off for me. I know you wouldn't have marked anything as correct.
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‎May 31, 2025
09:39 AM
Another answer was selected as Correct (this time it was Monika's answer)! I did not select it. I am pretty sure that it was not selected by Jacob or Monika either. I unselected it. To anyone who previously selected an answer as Correct or who intends to select an answer as Correct, make yourself known in this thread and explain why you think those answers are correct or why you are insisting on selecting an answer as correct. As explained here, from the discussion in this thread, it emerges that the best answer to the original post is "No". In other words, there is no correct answer so far, other than "No".
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‎May 22, 2025
08:43 AM
In this case, the discussion was more valuable than the answer and I had upvoted the replies that mattered to me. That's what led me to the conclusion that the answer is no (at least for now) and that I should proceed with one of the ways known to me today, which was the symbols route.
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‎May 21, 2025
10:09 PM
I don't know who selected Jacob's answer as the Correct Answer. I unselected it. While it does the job, it doesn't allow the use of the align command, which has other implications. That answer really is repositioning rather than aligning, which also makes it not quite simple (more steps than a click of a button). In light of the discussion here, I guess the answer to the original question "Is there a simple way of having the object behave as a group (for the sake of aligning it) without grouping it?" is No.
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‎May 07, 2025
08:45 AM
Hello Everybody, First of all, Jacob, I really appreciate the effort you put into coming up with a solution. I am starting to wonder if that is the work of a volunteer or an Adobe-funded employee or contractor !! 😉 Either way, thank you very much. For now, I have resorted to converting my object to a symbol. It is not exactly how I want it but the original object is still there (with all its layers) and if I need to, I can replace the symbol with a new one. Now looking at your solutions. One underlying goal in my original post, which I didn't make clear, was for the result to be a couple of clicks away when aligning, just like aligning with the Align panel. I find both solutions, in particular B, to be "click-intensive". But I have an issue with something else, and that also is in Bobby's solution. In my experience, copying the numerical values displayed in the Transform Panel can lose precision (copying only copies the value displayed). I see that when I change to a finer unit like point. It is a small issue but it's real. However, aligning using the Align panel keeps those values intact. Kurt, thanks for the suggestion. I will take a look. I don't write scripts on a regular basis so it takes me some time to get back up to speed when I do. I don't intend to write one for this task as it is fairly small (though I have quite a few such objects to align). Bobby. If I understood your solution correctly, it is fairly similar to solution A of Jacob. If I do a number of aligning and realigning, there will be too many steps. It also has the rounding issue for the coordinates. Thanks all three of you for helping.
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‎May 06, 2025
09:49 AM
Hi Jacob, Thanks for your suggestion. I had not thought of it. I tried it but it merely saves the selection, as it says. Then I recall it and everything is selected just as I saved it. But if I align the selection to another object, then every item aligns individually to that object. So it doesn't turn the selection into a single unit. In that sense, Save Selection doesn't behave like Group.
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‎May 06, 2025
07:08 AM
Hi, I have an object with items in multiple layers. For the sake of aligning it with other objects, I would need to group it or turn it into a symbol. However, both of these options move all items in the object into a single layer. Is there a simple way of having the object behave as a group (for the sake of aligning it) without grouping it? In other words, I would like to keep all the items in the layers where they are, but be able to align the object as a whole. This is for CS4. Thanks.
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‎Apr 12, 2025
04:40 AM
I know it's not in the video. I meant at what stage, if referenced back to your video, did you change the stroke to none? At the very end? Did you try it where I indicated (around 0:25)? It worked in CS4.
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‎Apr 11, 2025
08:53 PM
Monika, I reproduced the steps in your video. If I change the stroke colour to none at 0:25, then leave opacity at 100%, and go through the remaining steps in the video unchanged, I get the desired result. At what step did you change stroke to none? At the very end?
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‎Apr 11, 2025
08:33 AM
Hi Monika. Where you change opacity to 0%, I left it at 100% and instead, changed the stroke to none. It seems to have done the trick. I think there should no longer be transparency anywhere. I must say I still don't have a good grip on how these effects interact and affect each other, unlike you! Thanks.
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‎Apr 10, 2025
07:55 AM
Got it. Quite similar to what I did but you have a step where you introduce transparency (0% opacity). That is likely going to be a problem for me and it will rasterise when flattening the artwork.
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‎Apr 10, 2025
07:29 AM
Hi Monika. Thanks. I'm not sure it opens properly for me. What did you do? In item 1, I am seeing decoupled text and stroke (seem to be separate objects now).
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‎Apr 10, 2025
06:21 AM
This one's for Monika for sure! 😉 I have two type objects (or it could be one type and one path). I am trying to add a stroke to the combined path but whatever I do, I am not getting what I want. I have attached a file where I show: 1- the two type objects. 2- the two type objects, each converted to shape with a stroke around it. 3- Grouped objects, added Path FX Add. The stroke is how I want it but anything I tried to get to show the text again fails. Is there are non-destructive way out (in other words, with FX)? This is for CS4. Thanks.
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‎Aug 13, 2024
09:13 AM
None of this answers the questions I initially asked. You all know that. Obviously, none of you have experience running CS4, CS5, CS6 on a recent AMD processor. We already know that CS4 and CS5 can no longer be activated. Awaiting proper contributions to this thread.
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‎Aug 13, 2024
07:52 AM
No, it's not relevant or helpful. Unless you have experience running CS4, CS5, or CS6 on a recent AMD Ryzen processor and that is what you want to share, there is no need to participate.
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‎Aug 13, 2024
07:36 AM
Kevin, that's irrelevant. Please respond if you have the experience as described.
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‎Aug 13, 2024
06:45 AM
Just reviving this thread since nobody answered. I'd like to hear any experience of people who have successfully been running CS4, CS5, or CS6 on recent AMD Ryzen processors. Any of the applications in the suite, not necessarily Photoshop. Thank you.
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‎Jul 07, 2024
09:15 PM
Hi Bill, It's not clear whether the solution you are offering is a workaround or your answer to the original post. Whatever it is, that is not what the OP is asking. The OP wants to align the artboard to the artwork (not just one edge of the artboard but the whole artboard), not the artwork to the artboard. Is it possible to align the artboard to the artwork in Illustrator? If so, how? Thanks.
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