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Jqqerry
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August 18, 2022

P: Object Selection very slow response Photoshop 23.5

  • August 18, 2022
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Current latest PS version is 23.5

And Object Selection is really slow.

It wasn't like this until the early version of PS 2022, but it's getting slower and at 23.5, it's really weirdly slow.

 

I thought there might be a speed difference between turning on and off the option, so I compared it, but the results were the same.

Precise previews for 16bit document on/off

Native canvas on/off

Multithread compositing on/off

Use Graphic Processor on/off

Image Processing- Select Subject(Device , Cloud) : I don't know if this affects object selection, but I tried changing options.

 

The size of the test image below is really small. 1000px x 667px (sRGB, 8bit document)

The reason why I tested it with a small image was because I thought it was because of the large image and the number of layers.

But if you look at the gif image below, you can see a huge difference in loading and speed

 

 

This is Photoshop 23.5's object selection.

Even though the end is cut to meet the gif capacity, the loading time in front is long. Once again, the test image is very small.

 

 

And Now this is Photoshop 21.0.3's object selection. you can check this...

 

 

Can you see the difference? It's a big difference.

 

This is the difference in speed that appears even though the image used in the test is really small.
In the actual working image (6000x8000px), there is a loading as if the computer had stopped a little bit.
It's the same if you try to select a very small, very simple part of a real image, not a lot of it.

 

This needs to be improved Speed or delay. In fact, the masking quality of those two images was almost the same.

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Participant
September 8, 2022

I have a small group of pictures on Facebook. Most of them took pictures of sculptures and asked for their understanding in advance only for those who used the object tool selection and conducted a small survey.
There were 86 people in the survey, most of whom had at least seven to eight years of experience in Photoshop.

 

The questionnaire topics were as follows.
" The object selection tool is currently slow. Would you choose a slow and crash-free option? Or will you choose a quick option that will crash? "

 

Thirteen people chose the slow one. Most of the reasons were that they were tired of the crash and their image work flying away.
The remaining 73 people chose the quick option. And the reason was simple. The reason for using object selection is to quickly choose what you want, and that's the reason for the tool's existence.

However, the majority of 86 members on both sides questioned why this should be chosen.
It's a very interesting and welcome suggestion that Photoshop can choose options based on user preferences, but it's different from choosing the healing brush algorithm that was added in CC2015.
It clearly caused differences in results and changes in workflow depending on the algorithm, and both algorithms were ultimately aimed at good detail. So we could happily choose the option.
But no one wanted to choose between two options: fast or slow because of the crash.
I did this survey in a small Facebook group, but I think this is a natural opinion of people.
The comparison entry to the option itself is invalid. Stability is something that must be guaranteed, and it must be as fast as traditional tools. It's strange to give up one of the two.

Participant
September 8, 2022

While using the object selection tool, I was feeling uncomfortable with various crashes throughout this year, and it was really frustrating at the slow speed of 23.5 versions. I saw this thread and tried installing beta, but something seems to be wrong with the update.


I WANT TO USE A FAST OBJECTSELECTIONTOOL WITHOUT REPORTING ANY CRASH.

The option(device/cloud) of Select Subject, which was first created in 23.5, is understood and considered good by Adobe. But I understand that it gives you the option of whether to process it normally on your computer or upload it to the cloud to create a more precise selection.

BUT
This is a different story.
It is not acceptable that the benefits of choosing a slow(means more stable) option result in less crashes.
Shouldn't tools be fast, of course? Because I used to be fast! Before 2022.
I have never seen a crash on Adobe's release website and new feature introduction in 2022. And I didn't know that I could get disadvantaged by using NVDIA GPU.

Jqqerry
JqqerryAuthor
Inspiring
September 8, 2022

@finayab  @do260188359lhg  @jodila  @ba26016923hky8  @secijic 
Thank you for sharing your experiences and opinions.

https://community.adobe.com/t5/photoshop-beta-discussions/i-have-a-question-about-the-selection-fast-more-stable-option-added-to-beta23-5/m-p/13185721

I left a question about this in the beta community. But there is no answer.
So... I agree with you guys.
I don't understand why make that option(Fast/More Stable).
I agree that there is no reason for that option to be created if they fixed the crash.

 

 

In addition, the hardware specifications required on Adobe's official website do not suggest that AMD Radeon is recommended over Nvidia.


That's why I don't think it's necessary to replace yours GPU from Nvidia to Radeon, which many people are using well.
No, you shouldn't.
This is an issue of Nvidia and Photoshop, as Adobe developers and employees have stated, so it will be resolved. And they can think of it as creating and testing those options to save us the trouble of installing and comparing between 23.4.2 (or 23.0~later) and 23.5 in a hassle-free way, like we tried to solve the problem temporarily through CPU processing at 23.5.

Fix Is it far away from the end result will be what we want at all. But it's not officially released yet, and it's beta, so you'll need some comments.
And I think it will be Crash and Slow problem fixed within a year. before October.....

Participant
September 8, 2022

So our options have changed like this? Please see if I understand correctly

need stable, no crash bug - Use More Stable option
need fast - Use Fast option
What the.................?
So the benefit of having that option is that we can choose from 23.6 without having to install 23.4.2(Fast but Crashiong) or 23.5(Stable but slow) alternately, I don't think there's anything that can solve the problem?

if I want something stable and fast, I have to use a Radeon card? It's ridiculous. lol
Even when a new chip processor came out, it didn't take this long to run temporarily with Rosetta and wait until the m1 was fully supported.
However, it is not understandable that a new chipset has not been released, and that one function cannot be used throughout the year only for the well-used Nvidia GPU, and the option to use it slowly is created.

What we want is not an option, but a reliable tool that's basically fast and doesn't crash. (Because that's how it was.)

Participant
September 8, 2022

Who wants to operate at a slow speed? Of course, I think want the original stability of not crashing at a high speed (not just me, all Photoshop users)
I think the goal of the update should be to fix the crash itself with Nvidia and restore the tool that was originally fast and stable, rather than the method of using the GPU if you want the photoshop to turn off due to a crash.
What's in beta is seen only as a temporary measure to avoid a crash.

Participant
September 8, 2022

@secijic  So, If I use AMD GPU, will all the problems be solved? Then, the latest update of the graphics drivers reported to the community was mostly about Nvidia. Then shouldn't we recommend using Radeon instead of updating the Nvidia driver to fix it?

Participant
September 8, 2022

I agree. Stable(crash) and fast speed should not be separated.
Among the various programs I use, I've never seen an option to crash instead of speeding up.
It doesn't make sense. Can't you just bring the Photoshop object selection tool from the previous year?

secijic
Participant
September 8, 2022

I saw it on Reddit. So if this is only a problem with Nvidia GPUs, should I buy the Radeon GPU?
I spent a lot of money even when the price of the RTX30 series wasn't stabilized to boost Photoshop's performance.
I think it will be similar to the performance of the current graphics card if I buy RX6900XT... Too much spending is required.......................

Then, if i have to choose 2 options as mentioned above, use a slow but stable one like the 23.5 version now, or use a fast one even if a crash occurs. That mean this, right...?

Can't just update it quickly and without a crash? Or is the solution just to buy a Radeon graphics card?

Participant
September 8, 2022

@Jqqerry  Never mind, I checked that it was Beta and installed Beta in Adobe Creative Cloud.
But as I changed the options, I'm starting to agree with you.
If the issue of Nvidia GPU is fixed, there will be no reason to make these two options...
I've experienced a crash since the beginning of this year, and I thought it wouldn't be fixed soon, but... If people who use "fast"are going to crash by making them choose this option as a temporary measure, then this will lead to a bug until 2023 Photoshop...?
If this update does not solve this crash and slowness at the same time, I am worried that this problem will continue in Photoshop 2023, 2024.......... 

Participant
September 8, 2022

@Jqqerry Where did you download the version with the fast/more stable function you wrote? An official release?