[Locked] No perpetual licenses are you serious?

I agree with the cloud thing....I don't trust ANY company or technology enough to depend on "the cloud" to store my critical stuff.  But they are not forcing you to do that.  You can work 100% offline except for once every so often to verify your license.

As for the "both professionals and amateurs buy the subscription pricing.  Even $10 a month is too much for many people's use.  So you are driving your low base away to other products.  "

That situation is true for most all products out there,

Take the auto market.  I want a brand new Hellcat Challenger at some $55k plus.   But I cannot afford it.  And they won't take my arm and a leg for it....LOL....   Should Chrysler give it to me or offer it to me for 1/4 the cost just to be nice?

Or how about cell phones?    I see people on very slim budgets somehow "affording" the latest iPhones at some $600 each and huge data plans at $100+ per month so they can play games online.  I have a bare bones phone for about $100 and the cheapest plan I could find at about $40 a month.  I lived for years without a cell phone, let alone a "smart phone".  It's doable.  But I wanted a smart phone....just wont pay $600 for one so I have a knockoff. People will find a way to pay for things they really want.  Its called priorities.

I would bet you that half the people griping about this new way of doing things (change happens people, get over it) have iPhones and smoke or drink,,,,,both which could be considered "habits" that cost way more than $10 per month.

Manufacturers of ANY product make the product to make money.  People don't expect free cars or free phones or free cigarettes......and in the latter case, the product makes you an ADDICT who HAS to have the product daily.at some $5-8 per pack, with some people smoking a pack a day just to slowly poison themselves. 

But for some reason, many people view software, books, music and such as something different.....thinking these items should be shared freely (stealing) on the interweb.   It costs money to get a band together and record a song....to write and publish a book...and to develop , write , market and support software.  You wouldn't walk into a car dealership and demand the keys to a brand new car as "your right" would you?  Why does ANYONE feel its OK to demand free or reduced rate or infinitely-extending licenses for software?

If I walk into a Chrysler dealership and say "I am only gonna drive the Hellcat a few times out of the month, as a hobby"...does that change Chrysler's investment into their product?

People say "I am just a hobbyist so I cant afford the cost (of a professional tool)."  Well, the answer there is "find a cheaper tool for your hobby or change hobbies". 

It's about --- Priorities. It's about  -- Pay to Play.  It's about paying for a professional tool that can make you money if you choose to use it that way or to make your work done as a hobby look professional.  But that's your decision, not Adobe's.

The market will speak volumes about whether a product is "worth it" or not.   If Chrysler sells 5 Hellcats they will stop producing them and move on to some other product (thought they are selling them faster than they can make them)......and if Adobe finds that their new licensing model doesn't net them profit, they will change it.

"Don't fix a problem that doesn't exist."

Uh...there WAS a problem...someone who buys a license one time and then uses it for 10 years is not as predictable an income stream as a subscription is.  It also pushes users towards more consistent upgrade schedules rather than folks wanting to wait 5 years then upgrade to the newest version thinking they deserve it at a reduced cost then sucking up all sorts of tech support trying to put sqaure pegs into round holes during the upgrade.

The old "perpetual license" model is a real pita for publishers to keep up with from a tech support standpoint and that costs them money.

And of course there is that other issue --- piracy.    The live online subscription model controls piracy much better.

So from Adobe's standpoint there is/was many problems with perpetual licenses. And they are fixing it as they see fit. 

"I edit videos as a career, and i use premiere all the time, but i would rather use Imovie than pay a monthly subscription fee"

If you seriously MEAN this then you do not edit videos as a career, no offense intended.  You would know the difference.  Adobe and iMovie are about as far apart in the 'professional versus consumer' realm as you can get. Nascar car versus a go cart....they both have wheels and engines but that is where the similarities end.......iMovie is a freebie app given with a VERY expensive OS/hardware package......Adobe is a very professional and robust set of tools purchased to do serious video work. Hopefully you were just being dramatic.

And that is how I see this whole conversation....dramatics.

Those who love Adobe software or otherwise have a need to stay with it will conform to the subscription models.

Those professionals who don't will either try it for a while and then move on or move on from the start and change platforms for a "better" software and see how they fare. 

But from experience, I know that the grass is never greener "over there".

"Free" software, or "cheap" software is rarely "great" and "professional" software".

Then again, a true artist can make a masterpiece using crayons and a piece of toilet paper as his materials.....its all in the matter of what features and tools you want/need to get your particular tasks done.

If something else works as good as or better than Adobe for you in getting your work done, go for it.   Its not worth worrying and whining about like everyone is doing IMHO.  You are not changing Adobe's mind by doing so...it is working for them.

Agreed, I keep getting "there is an update" pop-up notification to LR 5.7, I click on the update now button but the only option is to join the cloud. It's been roughly two years since Adobe pushed their lack of choice on its customer base; perhaps the only thing left to do is warn people what the risks of the cloud are. The Internet is littered with hyper-positive reads on all that is good and holy with the cloud, what you don't see written about much are the risks. When there are breaches, the media is all too forgiving and willing to gloss past it as a glitch in progress.

To provide context, by day I'm a security professional GIAC GSEC and ISC2 CISSP certified. I protect tens of millions of peoples Personally Identifiable Information (PII), I've worked in IT for 25 years the last 10 in IT Security.

For any interested here are some things you should understand:

• 70% of all security threats to a company network originate from within the company’s staff
• Outside threats, hackers, for the last several years have been targeting people with privileged access to company data
• Social network sites such as LinkedIn give hackers an upper hand to map who is who within a company, this increases the risk for highly targeted spear phishing attacks to occur
• A total novice can be a hacker today; available simplified tools have become more plentiful. We have seen attack sophistication go up while required intruder technical knowledge has gone down.
• Just because a company is secure today is no guarantee it will be 5 years from now
• JPM Chase and other large companies which got hacked have proven large well-funded does NOT equal more secure
• Security assessments, IT audits, 3^rd party penetration tests and vulnerability scans can be thrown off by narrowing the scope of what they look for. Things can be hidden. You would be shocked at what most in my experience are hiding until they can get management approval on funding to put better protections in place.
• Encryption! Don’t be fooled by the talk of whole disk encryption equating to end to end encryption, it’s not! Until you shut the system down, it is not encrypted. Encrypting SAN drives does not encrypt the data until you pull the hard drive out of the thing. There are app level solutions such as Vormetric, but even that has ways to get to your data.
• IT Security is complicated, even if you patch a system, that patch may reveal a new flaw. The OpenSSL vulnerability left 80% of the Internet exposed to basically having almost no security. In that instance which lasted for months SLL protection could be bypassed due to a driver flaw exposing everything that passed through it in plain-text.

Who does the cloud benefit? The answer is simple, corporations and their quest to reduce costs, all of the features and benefits being sold about how awesome the cloud is boils down to one thing, money. You and your data are along for the ride in the name of what is being called progre$$. Companies get away with this by inundating you with lengthy legal eye bleed EULA’s. Corporate execs (we have all probably witnessed this to some degree) make decisions to fulfill a vision without knowledge and sometimes regard for the implications of that initiative. All too often they don’t perform due diligence or care what the complexity is in doing it. More concerning they view your data as their data.

My recommendation to anyone is be mindful of what you knowingly put on the Internet, if you wouldn't leave it unguarded laying out on your front lawn, you shouldn't leave it on the Internet either regardless of the assurances of its safety by others.

Actually Gavin Adobe doesn't really give you an upgrade path to LR 6 as a perpetual license. The upgrade for the perpetual license is only available via Adobe.com which has had numerous security breaches recently. I detail the problems with the new perpetual LR in my Amazon review: Amazon.com: Kendall L. Vaughan's review of Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 6

Good luck with that, John. I'm  sure that by giving them your money every month they are going to be very eager to offer you a 'frozen version' eventually. Really, I can totally see it happen buddy.

If you want to continue to use the software, you have to pay. If you want to open up your created files in the future, you have to pay. I see no reason at all why Adobe wouldn't start offering a frozen version when they have you over a barrel.

I feel it is a throwback to medieval times. Hence the term "Digital Serfdom", which I think pretty much sums up Adobe's (and other vendors) rental model.

I am not really interested in becoming a digital serf myself - which is why I will never yield to any Digital Serfdom.

If you can use 3+ year old software that is no longer being updated, there is still Creative Suite 6

Not missing the point at all. I used Adobe products till two years ago for all my work as a design professional. I am merely not interested in becoming a serf in Adobe's Digital Serfdom, no matter how nice the candy is made to look.

Photoline, Fusion, Davinci Resolve, Krita, Raw Therapee: all professional grade software, and in the case of Resolve and Fusion, even industry standard level software. All free, except Photoline, which is more affordable than even a $10 a month Photoshop subscription, and the license never runs out - I own the license, and I can put it on a thumb drive, and take it with me wherever I go, both for Mac and Windows.

I opt for a Freeman's working life, and refuse to become a serf. I own my tools, and so far I have had no issues continuing all my work as a "digital professional'. My clients are happy, and I have never been happier since leaving Adobe's tool behind. There is a whole new world out there, with new exciting tools just around the corner :-) And none of those adhere to any rental model.

For me personally it is a matter of principle. I will not rent software. If the rental model works for you: all the more power to you. I respect that choice, and I do understand that this model works well for many users and companies. Just not for me. Nor for a large group of users beside myself - otherwise we would not have threads like these.

Thank you for the information about Corel. I've used their products in the past and they are good.  I guess Adobe will be losing customers with this new monthly payments crap.