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[Locked] No perpetual licenses are you serious?

Forum|Forum|12 years ago
May 7, 2013
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I just head that Adobe was planning to abandon its perpetual license in favor of an on line only rental program. At first I thought that this must be a joke. I have been using adobe products for 18 years. Primarily Photoshop, Illustrator and Indesign. I am currently an owner of CS 6 Master collection and obviously do upgrade my products and have consistently done so over the years. I am not connected to the internet full time and in fact my work computer is never directly connected to the internet. So how does this work? Is adobe now forcing me to connect to the internet - it seems that this is the case.

In regards to upgrade cycles, I dont want to rent my software and be tied to a rental agreement. I want to upgrade when I choose, not rent my software like some kind of loaner program!

I want to purchase the software then not worry about it. For instance when I travel, I dont want to be bogged down with downloads and upgrades chewing up my bandwidth. I have traveled to many places where internet access is very limited. Downloading from a wireless card in China is painful, I dont want to be bogged down with no software or large megabyte downloads costing me a fortune on the other side of the planet.

Adobe I know that I am just one person and you will probably not listen to me but did someone ask? No one asked me about this. How simple could this be - I want to buy the software then use it when I want where I want, is this too much to ask?

Please let me continue to use this software in the way that I have used it for so long. If others wish to have the creative cloud then great! More power to them, don't alienate your other users. Please provide both alternatives.

Best regards - Matt

Creative Cloud

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aidrice

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Commenters who say "if you can't afford $50 per month…" are clueless as to how freelancers do business. Fixed expenses come right out of my profit margin: the higher my fixed expenses, the less money I make. I am a sole proprietor freelancer, working in a tiny rural community. My clients are small businesses, non-profits, and creatives such as writers and artists. The recession is still going strong here; businesses are cut to the bone (those that have been able to stay alive) and so my business is cut to the bone too. I have cut my prices drastically in order that my services can still be affordable. I have eliminated all nonessential business expenses, and also cut some which were very important - like professional development, conferences, etc. Adobe's move to a subscription-only model is a giant "F-U" to freelancers such as myself. I have always been on an every-other upgrade cycle like thousands of other freelancers, as this is the strategy that allows me to have reasonably up-to-date software at a price I can afford. Now I am being forced to lease software that I already own, and if I stop paying, my work is rendered unusable, and I go out of business. This is called EXTORTION.

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rosequill

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I too live in a rather rural area, a bedroom community of 7000, next to a larger 35k city. I went into an area of the city last week which had been thriving in previous years and the small businesses have been absolutely devastated. I can certainly understand the pain of a freelancer in your position. It has become very apparent that these decisions were made at Adobe with absolutely no regard for the consumer they would be affecting. It is certainly not that the people in charge didn't know, they simply didn't care.

I wish I could say that I've never seen a corporation almost intentionally try to garner so much ill will, but just yesterday noticed a blurb from the former CEO of Nestle stating that water was not a basic human right and it should be privitized. I was so taken aback I looked this up in a multitude of places to verify it.

Corporations don't, and have never cared for their consumer base. Never forget it. Adobe is about to learn the very hard lesson of what happens when you mistreat your customers.

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rosequill

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When it rains, it pours:

"Report: AppleCare extended warranty could become subscription-based"

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Anonymous

This is so bizarre. If this had happened before last year I would probably be homeless (or living with my mum) today.

I was very ill last year, and as aresult couldn't work (or found it very difficult to create aything that a client would want) and ended up living on my savings.

When I had to work (still nowhere near 100%), eg: clients who had paid before but had print jobs that were delayed) and then later with only a couple of months rent leeway, I maged to get a couple of small jobs to tide me over.

Luckily, I had my CS5.5 installation of Illy, ID and PS to bump up my bank balance. If I'd not been self-emplotyed or massively succesful, I suppose this wouldn't be an issue, but I don't and I'm not. Most of my clients (small busnesses, local charities etc) have small needs and budgets (jobs for a couple of hundred quid), but I do the best I can and work hard for them as amatter of pride.

The point is, I upgraded to 5.5 when I completed a large job (and was able to upgrade my hardware as well). This software renting scheme totally caught me wrong footed and I imagine a LOT of small designers and illustrators who scrape by and upgrade when they get a big paying (relatively) job are going to feel the same and will often find paying continuously to work (and access previous work) impossible.

This move is going to affect a a lot of people's livelihoods (to the detriment of). Adobe seem to be motivated by greed with this move and not '...the guiding principles of integrity, respect, honesty, quality, responsibility, and fairness'.

I just want to pay them for their product when i can afford it. I'll survive none the less. If I get massivley successful I'll buy in, but I hope they change this policy to support artists when they've paid plenty and, when times are tough, rely on their software for a living.

p.s. sorry for the spelling errors, hands aren't yet as nimble as they used to be.

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Kwan Parker

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Excellent post, Arviewallbanger.

Ten years ago I was diagnosed and treated for Stage 4 Non-Hodgekins Lymphoma. Thanks to excellent medical care provided by the military oncologists at Wilford Hall Medical Center, the loving and attentive care given by my wife, and the blessing of God . . . I survived.

For months I was either in the critical care unit or unable to leave my bed. For nearly two years I lived my life leashed to an oxygen machine. Fortunately, when I could move about, the oxygen tube was long enough to let me roam the house.

I didn't fire up the computer during the first year. The Adobe cloud would have mindlessly collected the rent none-the-less.

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adam singer

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Dear Adobe,

Count me as another paying customer you will lose if you follow through with this plan. Your software is not the only option.

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Picturequest

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Thumbs down on removing customer's "CHOICE." I don't have any interest in 2gb of cloud storage. I generate 2- 2.5gb PSD files daily. And could not imagine the time it would take to upload download. Nor am I interesting in sharing my work on social media.

A good company, cares about the needs of all their customers. And tries to deliver the products that work for them. Let the consumer decide what best suits their requirements.

Imagine if Apple said, we no longer sell computers or tablets. You can just rent them from us. And once a month you need to bring them to an Apple store to re authorize the device.

Alec Molloy

Inspiring

Hi Picturequest,

You actually get 20gb of free syncing, but you don't have to use this. You are still saving your files on your computer, but have the option to back them up.

Second, with the new launch you will only need to connect to the internet once a year to renew your subscription, not every month.

There is a lot of confusion around this launch, but you can get answers to these questions and more here: http://terrywhite.com/5-myths-about-adobe-creative-cloud/

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rainschub

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Bye to this thread!

They send me a mail, that my tone here isn´t good enough.

And they will kick me out, if i go on... So I leave by choice.

Didn´t think I harm anybody - if so - please excuse.

Also I postet a review at the product site which never could be seen (wasn´t any bad word in it but a one star rating).

I think it´s done. I also don´t want to be present under this conditions.

And there are other forums to concentrate on.

I hope you keep your opinions to CC.

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gepkes

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You must NOT speak out against CC...

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rainschub

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With this (Distribution-) model no one can stop Adobe to rise their prices (And they will do, when catched enough sheeps)

with this model Adobe can do fewer updates (as the clients have to pay and pay)

with this model your hardware has to follow Adobes plans

with this model you don´t have the freedom of Software choice (without paying twice after quitting subscription)

with this model I can´t decide one day to go out of business and work a little bit on my illustrations....

I hope that Adobe has to pay the bill. Not us

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jbjones

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It would be nice if even the people who are currently enjoying the Creative Cloud subscription happened to realize that it's better for the world to have both options and choose to cancel their subscriptions until Adobe reverses it's stance.

I don't know how many people are already permenantly tied up in the subscription with no way to make do without it, but it would be fascinating to see the world band together in favor of the flexibility of having both a perpetual license (for those with less money) and subscription options (for those who need the latest and greatest.)

We've seen quite a few people across various comment forums who have stated they are using older suites because they can't afford an upgrade or don't see the value in it (which would imply they don't see the value in the subscription either). I'm trying to imagine that 10 years from now NEW beginners who fall into this group might not become Adobe customers at all.

Seems like Adobe is going to carve a small chunk off of their designer pool and also diminish brand popularity slightly with this move.

Images of RMNP

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For me the only problem is pricing. As a photographer I only use two programs and paying $600 every year to use them is not realistic. A price of $10 per month per program would be much more doable. Adobe please reconsider your pricing scheme. I don't want to pay for apps I never use.

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gepkes

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Go to the Facebook and click "Like" to join the list of people against the the mandatory "Creative Cloud" subscription model.

https://www.facebook.com/NoMandatoryCreativeCloud

The go sign the petition:

http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-mandatory-creative-cloud-subscription-model

Go to the Facebook and click "Like" to join the list of people against the the mandatory "Creative Cloud" subscription model.

https://www.facebook.com/NoMandatoryCreativeCloud

The go sign the petition:

http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-mandatory-creative-cloud-subscription-model

Development of Adobe Creative Suite 7, and all plans of future creative suites have been discontinued. The only option going forward will be the Creative Cloud (CC) subscription model.

You should support this petition because Adobe is making their already expensive products even more expensive in the long run. Adobe is robbing small business, freelancers, and the average consumer. They do not seem to understand that every company is a not multi-national, multi-billion dollar corporation that has an infinite amount of resources.

In the end it comes down to this: all of Adobe's consumers will not be able to make such a large payment every month on the CC subscription model. In the short term, the subscription model looks to be okay, but over time the only entity that is benefiting from this is Adobe. The (no longer) current model: paying a one time fee for infinite access is a much better business model and is better for the consumer.

Let's make a difference and stand up to Adobe and let them know our stance. We want our voices heard.

For more information:

http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/06/adobe-goes-all-in-with-subscription-based-creative-cloud-will-stop-selling-regular-cs-licenses-shrink-wrapped-boxes/

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-57582735-92/adobe-kills-creative-suite-goes-subscription-only/

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rainschub

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Yes Yes Yes

It is absolut BS what they have done - a Money makers experiment.

I hope their stock price will fall rapidly!

Don´t subscribe - sign the petitions!

Keep CS6 alive as lon as possible!

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Dcolive

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I'm not a fan of the policy change either.. and.. lets be realistic about what affect we can have on the policy here.

Economics.. Supply and Demand...

Adobe has too many customers to support effectively and with good reputation.. and one way to manage the supply balance is to cause a decrease in demand.

So, people leaving may be exactly what they want. It might be a solution to their problem.

Additionally, so far, the anti-Forced-Creative-Cloud movement has been pretty luke warm in comparison the total number of customers.

Furthermore, the stock price may be on a slight decline over the last few days, howver, it's also on a multi-month trend of increasing value that, even with the slight decline over the past few days, isn't broken. It's still right on that trend.

I'm not a fan of it, however, the 'public outcry' has, so far, been a mouse squeak in the scheme of things. If you really want to protest.. start making things that get the word out.. like.. catchy limericks, anti-adobe CC songs and pictures. Write blog posts about it often. Get featured on mashable. Post on Reddit. Generate a new Adobe viral meme.

If that's too much work.. the movement will not succed. Lets be realistic.

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ccoggin

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PROTEST THE CC DECISION AT MAX

I'm not normally an activist, but this has outraged me, and as Aaron Tippin would say "If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything."

I still have the slightest glimmer of hope that someone in upper management at Adobe will realize this is a huge mistake and change it.

They can still have the cloud, I just want the choice to buy the software.

So I challenge those of you at MAX to go buy a poster board and a sharpie and TELL ADOBE HOW YOU FEEL.

Ideas for your poster are:

ADOBE, Give us a choice!

If I can't buy, we say GOODBYE

Carry them proudly in the lobby tomorrow and Friday as you go to your meetings! Don't be an ant in the Adobe colony, be a leader. Be an innovator. Stand up for what is right, and call them on this decision, because it's wrong.

And please sign the petition!

http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-t he-mandatory-creative-cloud-subscription-model

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Bernanas

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Here's my biggest concern: Previously. Adobe actually had to innovate to motivate its users to upgrade versions.All of this motivation is gone when they can suck at the teat of a subscription model. If there was a serious competitor to Adobe right now, there's no way they would make this move. This is the first of infinitely many customer-unfriendly moves, because who is there to stop them? Mark my words: A coorporation without competition has absolutely no reason to innovate.Let the laureate-resting begin.

There is zero chance I will support this model, and I refuse to be bullied into CS6. I want to be perfectly clear: I am the customer in this transaction. The software company needs to address my needs, not the other way around. I refuse to pay "protection fees" to a monopolistic organization for the right to make a living. Someone get a competitor kickstarted right now. I will pledge a year of annual dues that I refuse to pay to Adobe.

Edit: Spelling

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rainschub

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Absolutely agree.

Adobe never was great in doing updates. It driped and many, many of the "new cool" functions were useless gimmicks.

(Most of my work - 95% - could be done in the same time with CS3 also. If I compare with Maxons C4D or Maya - there are Worlds between the versions. Only MS is... ;)

In case of selling my soul to them. Liftime hiring full access to my work.

I think they showed whom they are: First moneymakers, Secnd Software Developers.

They will decide to make fewer updates.

Without the big bang in june to fix on as many blue eyed users as they can.

From thereon it will drip slower - but compatibility to former versions will end.

Simply strategic.

No to CC

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