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elliotlipsh
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June 5, 2018
Question

Retain italics & bold using paragraph styles when bringing in Word text to Indesign

  • June 5, 2018
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need some help here... had same problem in the past and the only easy way was to change the font in Word before I bring it over to InDesign. The problem with doing this is that I am restricted. Some fonts in Word will change the italic and bold if I change overall..... ughhh.

there must be an easy way...

help thanks

    11 replies

    Participant
    November 22, 2024

    Just wanted to point out that if you have a charachter style or paragraph style selected when you import, it can change everything. Import word doc ctrl+D, click  show import options, remove styles and formatting from text and tables, check preserve local overrides, create charachter styles for italics, bolds, find and replace basic character format font style with the style you created. Once you have replaced basic character formating with actual character styles, now you can select all and change to any paragraph style you want.

     

    Do not import word with a character style selected, make sure it says no character style otherwise everything will turn italic/bold.

    James Gifford—NitroPress
    Legend
    November 22, 2024

    This is a good and often overlooked point. It's all too easy to place a Word file into an empty paragraph that has some bonkers combination of paragraph and character style applied, and those characteristics will be "absorbed" by all the text imported. I finally learned to check that empty, placeholder paragraph to be completely neutral (usually Body or equivalent, and no character styles applied) to save a lot of aggravation. 🙂

    elliotlipsh
    Known Participant
    June 16, 2018
    hammer0909
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    June 17, 2018

    I created a quick silent video showing the process that pretty much summarizes all of the posts in this thread. When I went through it, everything worked as expected and I used all of the styles that were in your file. Adobe Creative Cloud. It may not play in your browser but you can download by clicking on the button in the upper right corner.

    elliotlipsh
    Known Participant
    June 16, 2018

    http://think I can only insert an image.. or a link to url... can't seem to work out to insert sample docs...

    Barb Binder
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    June 16, 2018

    Save the file on a file sharing platform like Dropbox, and post the link here.

    How do I share files or folders in Dropbox? – Dropbox Help

    ~Barb

    ~Barb at Rocky Mountain Training
    elliotlipsh
    Known Participant
    June 13, 2018

    @ chad tried this and all sorts of odd things happening. The para that has the italic in is now remaining the same font as it came in.  The rest of the doc will change to the correct para style I created.

    I have done all above (set char styles for bold and italic, done the none after import, removed all unwanted imported styles that came in with word, etc etc.)

    hammer0909
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    June 14, 2018

    We're doing a lot of guessing here. If you want to post a link to the word doc and the InDesign file you're flowing the word doc into, I'd be happy to take a quick look.

    elliotlipsh
    Known Participant
    June 6, 2018

    Bevi, I will have to further investigate. I can see how to change the character style to emphasis in Word (although yet to work out the find and replace..) and then bring it to Indesign.  The problem is that it comes in correctly to InDesign and when I change to my para style that I want the italic disappears.  I think Lynda.com will help..

    Bevi Chagnon - PubCom.com
    Legend
    June 5, 2018

    Here's a summary of the bits and pieces folks have stated above.

    (We do tons of books, academic texts, automated workflows, EPUBs, PDFs, and accessibility, so these steps work!)

    1. Fix your author's Word document. Wherever they used the B and I buttons in the top ribbon bar (which is manually formatting bold and italics), replace it with character styles.
      1. Word already has built in character styles for bold (called Strong) and italics (called Emphasis). You can see them in Word's Styles panel by changing the panel's options to Show All Styles (not the recommended ones...no one choose that!).
      2. Strong and Emphasis are the universally recognized styles for bold and italics. If you need bold-italics, make a new Character style for it and call it whatever you want.
    2. Using Word's Find/Replace, search for the manual bolds and italics and replace them with their matching character styles, Strong and Emphasis.
      1. Expand the dialogue box's options by clicking the More button. Use the Format menu at the bottom to look for font/bold and replace with style/strong. Pretty straightforward; you'll figure this part out.
    3. Save the document.
    4. Place it into InDesign and use the Import Options to Map Styles.
      1. You should already have character styles in your InDesign template for Strong and Emphasis...they are universal for all forms of digital publishing. So they should be there on the right side to match up to the Word versions on the left side.
    5. Voila! All the strong and emphasis character styles will be there formatting those words for you in your InDesign layout.

    One note:

    When in Word, be careful to NOT use strong or emphasis character styles on headings. The theory is that the heading style itself will add the bold or italics as needed, so a character still will just get in the way and produce unpredictable formatting.

    Therefore, when you're finding/replacing in Word, sometimes it's better to click the Find Next button and cycle through them one by one, choosing to apply the character style or not as you go along. Doing a global "Replace All" might paint you in a corner!

    Hope this helps.

    With the amount of documents you produce, it's worthwhile to invest some training/learning in these advanced techniques for both Word and InDesign.

    Another phenomenal place to learn about Word and its "special quirks" is at https://shaunakelly.com/  Shauna Kelly, now deceased, was one of the most incredible Microsoft MVPs and trainers in the industry. Before she passed away, she released her training materials into the public domain and they are maintained today by her dedicated colleagues and friends.

    |    Bevi Chagnon   |  Designer, Trainer, & Technologist for Accessible Documents ||    PubCom |    Classes & Books for Accessible InDesign, PDFs & MS Office |
    Noyster2
    Inspiring
    June 6, 2018

    How irritating is it that Adobe DOES NOT PROVIDE THIS INFORMATION as part of it's manual.

    Quite ridiculous how  the premier page layout software (Adobe InDesign) and industry standard word processing application (MicroSoft Word) pretend each other do not exist. Frustrating that it took me hours to figure this out.

    Bevi Chagnon - PubCom.com
    Legend
    June 6, 2018

    I work closely with both companies and their software (and several others, too). One thing that's the same across the board: they all want customers to think that it's easy to use their software. That's a myth!

    At some point, we users must break through that myth and realize that we, as professionals in a highly technical industry, must master our software tools and become master craftsmen. That means:

    • Additional advanced training or self-learning in all of our programs.
    • No more "seat-of-the-pants" work in documents. Just because someone taught you years ago how to B bold something, that might not be the best method for your work today.
    • Understand our little part in the workflow...and at least have an overview of what our team mates do, such as how our authors mis-use Word which then trickles down to us and others in the workflow.
    • Know the technical requirements of what you're creating; press requirements, EPUB standards, web standards, accessibility standards.

    Remember, "clean" content that is formatted with styles is what everyone should be making because it can travel to all forms of publishing...HTML, InDesign for print, EPUB, accessibility, XML, and tomorrow's technologies that are in development today.

    If any course today teaches manual formatting (or local overrides in InDesign) and not styles, then you're in the wrong class!

    So choose your Word and InDesign instructors carefully. I haven't reviewed Lynda.com's Word classes so I don't know which approach they use. But my Word classes for authors and designers stress styles throughout. www.pubcom.com/classes

    It's not hard to learn and once you master it, you'll probably never go back to the old way!

    |    Bevi Chagnon   |  Designer, Trainer, & Technologist for Accessible Documents ||    PubCom |    Classes & Books for Accessible InDesign, PDFs & MS Office |
    elliotlipsh
    Known Participant
    June 5, 2018

    me and Word.... can use Adobe software 8/10... Office 3/10

    no idea how to do that and client supplied the Word doc. This must happen all the time.  I have tried scripts, tried the find and change options and to no avail.  A small fix is to make sure the word doc is the same font as I want to use but there are restrictions with this as some fonts in word change the italics to regular.

    help

    Derek Cross
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    June 5, 2018

    When you Place your Word document in InDesign ensure you have no Paragraph or Character Styles selected.

    Have you tried using the Word import option feature, as mentioned by ammarora (earlier)?

    Have you had a look at the Lynda.com video tutorial I mentioned?

    elliotlipsh
    Known Participant
    June 5, 2018

    the word import feature I know about and hasn't worked... will look at the Lynda.com now and hope it helps.

    I do lots of books and have had this problem before... very pesky and driving me crazy.

    Geоrge
    Legend
    June 5, 2018
    Remember, never say you can't do something in InDesign, it's always just a question of finding the right workaround to get the job done. © David Blatner
    Derek Cross
    Community Expert
    Community Expert
    June 5, 2018

    If you’re frequently placing Word files in InDesign it might be worth studying how to do it properly and efficiently. Lynda.com have a really good online video tutorial on this (you can get a 30-day free trial):

    Word and InDesign: Integration

    Noyster2
    Inspiring
    June 6, 2018

    How irritating is it that Adobe DOES NOT PROVIDE THIS INFORMATION as part of it's manual.

    Quite ridiculous how  the premier page layout software (Adobe InDesign) and industry standard word processing application (MicroSoft Word) pretend each other do not exist. Frustrating that it took me hours to figure this out.

    elliotlipsh
    Known Participant
    June 7, 2018

    totally agree!!!!!

    vinny38
    Legend
    June 5, 2018

    My suggested solution: Style up your Word document!

    In Word, create a Bold-Italic character style (if any), a Bold character style and an Italic one.

    Use Find/Change Word feature to apply Bold-Italic style to all Bold-Italic text, same process with Bold and Italic text.

    Mapping styles in INDD will finish the work nicely...