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DdeGannes
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February 11, 2020
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Important Update Lightroom Classic to 9.2 (READ the info provided in the anouncement posted earlier)

  • February 11, 2020
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There are some significant updates particularly one that could affect the Default Develop settings if you have used the feature for creating camera-specific defaults. My application was auto-updated overnight.

Some users may wish to be aware of the changes before they update. Just a heads up.

 

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    D Fosse
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    D FosseCommunity Expert
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    February 12, 2020

    It does seem to work now. But boy, I've spent almost two days now trying to figure this out. Jumping through hoops indeed.

     

    What you do is make your preset, then right-click and "Show in Explorer". Open it with notepad.

     

    Insert this text block, lifted from example 1 on the help page:

     

    <crs:ISODependent>
    <rdf:Seq>
    <rdf:li
    crs:ISO="400"
    crs:LuminanceSmoothing="0"/>
    <rdf:li
    crs:ISO="1600"
    crs:LuminanceSmoothing="10"/>
    <rdf:li
    crs:ISO="6400"
    crs:LuminanceSmoothing="30"/>
    </rdf:Seq>
    </crs:ISODependent>

     

    There are some indents here that aren't carrying over to the forum. Copy directly from the example to get them. Insert here, right at the end, directly above </rdf:Description>:

     

    Modify the numbers if required. I restarted Lightroom after this, don't know if that's required.

     

    Phew.

    99jon
    99jon
    Genius
    February 12, 2020

    I added a fourth step to mine, so every iso between 6400 and 12800 gets a proportionate amount of luminance smoothing between 30 & 50. Works really well.

    <rdf:Seq>
    <rdf:li
    crs:ISO="12800"
    crs:LuminanceSmoothing="50"/>

     

    If you wish you can download my xmp file from dropbox and simply import as a preset.

     

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/0nez3y0d8ctjsdb/ISO%20Interpolation%20NR.xmp

     

      D Fosse
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      D FosseCommunity Expert
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      February 12, 2020

      That's good to know. The more customizable this is, for us non-geeks without a degree in computer science, the better.

       

      Now, I had a couple of other ISO dependent settings beside noise reduction, like shadow tint (goes to magenta at high ISO on my Nikons). In time I hope to figure out how to accommodate those too.

      D Fosse
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      D FosseCommunity Expert
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      February 12, 2020

      OK, I think I got this figured out last night. Seems to work now.

       

      There's a certain text section (ISODependent) that you need to add to an existing preset, using e.g. notepad. The examples posted on the Adobe help page are of limited usefulness by themselves - you probably want other things in those presets too. So instead of further editing those, better to do it the other way.

       

      I'll post an example later today, when I'm sure it works properly. I got this from Victoria Bampton via Pierre-Etienne Courtejoie yesterday.

       

      The point is still the same: we shouldn't have to do this. We shouldn't need to manually edit xmp files. It should be in the application interface. It seems "someone" didn't fully realize how important ISO dependent defaults are to a lot of people.

       

      And as for noise reduction being performed behind the scenes without it being reflected in the NR slider - I don't buy that. I see no evidence of that happening, and either way I want to control this myself. I don't need another "automagic" function.

        DdeGannes
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        DdeGannesCommunity ExpertAuthor
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        February 12, 2020

        OK, I am just back at the forum after starting this thread earlier today. After wading through other posts in the forum made during the day and all the responses created in this thread, I am a bit frustrated. As I posted earlier my applications in the ACC (Adobe Creative Cloud) were updated overnight.

        My mouse pointer is not functioned properly since earlier today and its a pain to actually navigate through the desktop.

        I spent the best part of three hours, afternoon today, sorting out how to update my default develop settings to function in an acceptable manner so I can feel comfortable to resume importing new images.

        I have mentioned previously, Adobe needs to separate pushing out updates for new camera models and new lens profiles and not include significant "new functions" so they can have these properly tested prior to release. What use are the new profiles if the functions do not run properly.

        Enough said I will be back in the morning.  

         

        Regards, Denis: iMac 27” mid-2015, macOS 11.7.10 Big Sur; 2TB SSD, 24 GB Ram, GPU 2 GB; LrC 12.5,; Lr 6.5, PS 24.7,; ACR 15.5,; (also Laptop Win 11, ver 24H2, LrC 15.0.1, PS 27.0; ) Camera Oly OM-D E-M1.
        D Fosse
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        D FosseCommunity Expert
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        February 11, 2020

        I can normally navigate my way through updates and changed functionality, but this one I didn't see coming. I'm absolutely stunned. I've relied on ISO specific defaults forever, and removing that blows my whole working process, from camera to finished image, to pieces. It's a disaster.

         

        When I'm shooting, I often change ISO constantly, to compensate for using flash or not, varying light levels, the need to freeze rapid movement or blur it, and so on and so on. I turn that dial all the time.

         

        Am I now supposed to wade through a 500 frame shoot to set noise reduction on each, one by one?

         

        If they can't come up with an easy way to set defaults by ISO, in fairly short order, this will be a spectacle bigger than the one they made by introducing the "simplified" import screen. Remember that?

        Ian Lyons
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        Ian LyonsCommunity Expert
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        February 11, 2020

        It's still possible to create/apply your own defaults based on ISO. However, you will need to manually edit the XMP file using a text editor to include the specific ISO settings.  More details (including examples) can be found towards the bottom of this guide created by Adobe.

         

        https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-classic/help/raw-defaults.html

         

        Important Gotcha - updating the edited preset within Lightroom Classic or Camera Raw will remove the manually applied edits for ISO.

         

        BTW, the reason Adobe chose above manual editing approach rather than preset creation within the application itself is that the existing camera profiles already include detailed noise profiles for nearly all supported cameras. This means that the nosie correction is already applied automatically (without noise slider reflecting same) based on ISO. Therefore, individual tuning at the per-ISO level is no longer as important as it was in the past.

        kimballisms
        kimballisms
        Inspiring
        February 11, 2020

        [...] existing camera profiles already include detailed noise profiles for nearly all supported cameras. This means that the noise correction is already applied automatically (without noise slider reflecting same) based on ISO.

         

        I do not believe this is correct.  Camera profiles provide a mathematical transformation from raw data (unitless numbers) to colors in a color space, and not a whole lot more.

         

        Of course I could be wrong, and I'm happy to be corrected.  Do you happen to have a link that describes the above behavior in more detail?  A quick google search turned up nothing.

        AxelMatt
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        AxelMattCommunity Expert
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        February 11, 2020

        Laura Shoe has also a very detailed article about the new funtions in the 9.2 - update.

        There is a good video tutorial about the new develop settings included.

        https://laurashoe.com/2020/02/11/whats-new-in-lightroom-classic-9-2-raw-defaults/

         

        My System: Intel i7-8700K - 64GB RAM - NVidia Geforce RTX 3060 - Windows 11 Pro 25H2 -- LR-Classic 15 - Photoshop 27 - Nik Collection 8 - PureRAW 5 - Topaz Photo
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          dj_paige
          Legend
          February 11, 2020

          Sometimes, I really don't understand the things that Adobe writes, their language doesn't easily translate to understanding (in my case). So, I have a question:

           

          We have heard for many years, and it was certainly true, that in-camera settings such as saturation and sharpness (and probably others) don't show up in Lightroom from RAW photos, because Lightroom doesn't try to understand this manufacturer's metadata in the RAW files. Does this change with the new features in 9.2?

          99jon
          99jon
          Genius
          February 11, 2020

          Yep Paige, there is a change, the master default can now be set in preferences to Adobe, Camera Settings or Preset. Note the reference to Camera Settings and not Camera Profile.

           

          For some newer models such as the Nikon Z series (Z7 for instance) the camera itself will record additional settings to try to match things like contrast and noise reduction more closely to the in-camera settings. Adobe default will ignore them.

          DdeGannes
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          DdeGannesCommunity ExpertAuthor
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          February 11, 2020

          The Lightroom Queen also raises some other points in her article, including the ISO specific settings.

          LR 9.2 update. 

          Regards, Denis: iMac 27” mid-2015, macOS 11.7.10 Big Sur; 2TB SSD, 24 GB Ram, GPU 2 GB; LrC 12.5,; Lr 6.5, PS 24.7,; ACR 15.5,; (also Laptop Win 11, ver 24H2, LrC 15.0.1, PS 27.0; ) Camera Oly OM-D E-M1.
          99jon
          99jon
          Genius
          February 11, 2020

          Yes it’s good to be aware. I never have any apps or operating system set to auto-update.

           

          I quite like the new raw defaults as I have always used an import preset which I have made the new starting point for all imports. This enables me to apply an iso related NR import preset on top of the starting default which automatically applies an interpolation of luminace smoothing. My blog has a bit more information.

          https://99jon.blogspot.com/2020/02/lightroom-updates-february-2020.html

          brianward62
          brianward62
          Participating Frequently
          February 15, 2020

          Thank you so much for this - I have now solved a problem whereby LR randomly altered my In-Camera Profile back into Adobe Standard even after using the Edit/Preferences tab (Windows 10) to default the RAW import to Camera Settings.

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