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[Locked] - There will not be a Lightroom 7 perpetual offering . Are you happy about this ?

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"Lightroom 6 is the last stand-alone version of Lightroom that can be purchased outside of a Creative Cloud membership. There will not be a Lightroom 7 perpetual offering. Lightroom 6 will remain for sale for an undetermined amount of time, but will no longer be updated with camera support or bug fixes after the end of 2017. Lightroom 6.13 with support for the Nikon D850 will be released on October 26th, 2017"

Adobe’s new version of Lightroom lets you resume editing anywhere - The Verge

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josipl80537037

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Nuts. Photographers want their creative process to remain local, not get forced into the cloud. Moreover, working with TB-sized image archives is not tolerable even over high BW internet. Adobe will lose market share among serious photographers first; and casual photographers will find that mobile devices already provide sufficient cloud-based flexibility for free.

Adobe Lightroom was a very compelling desktop-optimized local product. It's very inappropriate for the cloud model. Time to find alternatives...

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David Illig

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Photographers want their creative process to remain local, not get forced into the cloud...Adobe Lightroom was a very compelling desktop-optimized local product...

I don't work for Adobe so it's not my place to argue for or against their products. But sheesh! For your own benefit, make informed decisions! You seem not to have learned anything about the two applications, Lightroom CC (cloud) and Lightroom Classic CC, which is still a very compelling desktop-optimized local product, unchanged in its file handling: your files, local, stored on your hard drives, managed by you. No one is forced into the cloud.

I see that someone found your fake-news post helpful. What is this, Facebook!?

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josipl80537037

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Read the Adobe announcement -- "Lightroom 6 is the last stand-alone version of Lightroom that can be purchased outside of a Creative Cloud membership. There will not be a Lightroom 7 perpetual offering."

bitm07Author

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I got this message when my photography plan online storage reached around 16GB

"Your cloud storage is almost full Upgrade to keep things running smoothly Upgrade"

Is running low on cloud storage space really going to effect the smooth running of LC CC, or is this just scaremongering aimed at getting you to upgrade earlier than necessary ?

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Anonymous

It all started back at Photoshop 1.0 on a Macintosh LC. I have been

faithful to Adobe with upgrades and adopted Lightroom when it came out.

I continued with upgrades until Adobe went to Creative Cloud and a full

subscription plan.

Well I bit the bullet and decided to go with the subscription. I was quite

happy until recent events. The dumbing down of tools to meet the selfie,

gadget oriented market. Yes, all the drawbacks of mobile devices and the

cloud were brought to the desktop.

Alas, you say, there is still Lightroom Classic! Well according to releases,

Adobe was going to have it available "for the foreseeable future". Well,any

company stating that, is definitely planning the death of the product. Just

like with the standalone version folks were told "indefinitely".

I do not want cloud. I do not want reliance on the cloud. Everyone is trying

to convince themselves how great cloud computing is, until they find out it

is not. Those who do not have access to high speed internet or are forced

by virtue of the only service available into caps on traffic caps, can just simply

for get using Adobe products. They aren't for you and they no longer care!

So, after many, many years of loyalty, I have just cancelled my subscription and

will no longer support any Adobe products and will vehemently advise those

interested against it.

So, so long Adobe, it was fun while it lasted.

BTW, they were tempting me for 2 months free if I didn't cancel!

Hopefully this post will not get trashed.

Abambo

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Why should this post get trashed? Your comments are respectfully elaborated.

ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer

bitm07Author

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Abambo wrote
Why should this post get trashed? Your comments are respectfully elaborated.

It unlikely to be given that thread's like the one's below have survived on this forum since Photoshop CC went subscription only over 4 years ago.

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1209195

https://forums.adobe.com/message/5295352#5295352

bitm07Author

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Yes, I purchase Adobe Photography Plan 12 month prepaid membership cards from alternative vendors, using PayPal.

Abambo

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bitm07 wrote
Yes, I purchase Adobe Photography Plan 12 month prepaid membership cards from alternative vendors, using PayPal.

Your PayPal account can be hacked more quickly than you think – BGR

ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer

bitm07Author

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Abambo wrote
bitm07 wrote
Yes, I purchase Adobe Photography Plan 12 month prepaid membership cards from alternative vendors, using PayPal.
Your PayPal account can be hacked more quickly than you think – BGR

Thanks, after reading that I think I may pay cash for my prepaid photography plan this year ! But seriously I think I'm safe on that front as well, as i've never provided by Credit Card details to PayPal either, I use the PayPal payments I receive, to pay for products such as the Photography Plan and camera kit.

I make a considerable saving in the process as well £83.39 for the 12 month plan last year, compared to the current price of £9.96 a month from Adobe here in the UK.

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thomass49009696

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After having licensed Lightroom since verson 3 and payed each upgrade ... I´m now forced to go for ABO ?

I must say great Job ADOBE , you are really customer oriented .

I´m absolutely pissed :-( especially as I did the upgrade indicated by the "Creative Cloud App" . How can I go back to Version 6 ?

I´ll look for a different Tool

BKKDon

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All I can say to everyone here, embrace change and the opportunity it will bring ... or take up the new Lightroom plans

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Anonymous

BKKDon wrote
All I can say to everyone here, embrace change and the opportunity it will bring ... or take up the new Lightroom plans

Not all change is good and should be "embraced"!

My beef is not the subscription but the eventual forcing of everything into

the great and wonderful cloud, where you are no longer in control.

Abambo

Community Expert

You do not need to go cloud. Stay with Lr Classic...

ABAMBO | Hard- and Software Engineer | Photographer

BKKDon

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Honestly most of this is purely sour grapes, if you want to use Lightroom and/or Photoshop you need to subscribe as you would to any other service and, as when your subscription to any service stops, after ceasing to pay for the service you lose access to that service.

There are many other applications that offer perpetual licences and you just need to select what you want and pay for that, why complain about Adobe's model?

tomazj

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BKKDon wrote
Honestly most of this is purely sour grapes, if you want to use Lightroom and/or Photoshop you need to subscribe as you would to any other service and, as when your subscription to any service stops, after ceasing to pay for the service you lose access to that service.
There are many other applications that offer perpetual licences and you just need to select what you want and pay for that, why complain about Adobe's model?

Common, you are stating the obvious. You think I am not aware of all this? Seriously??

Are we only supposed to voice our opinion if we like something but we are not supposed to criticize anything? Is that how "feedback" to companies from their customers is supposed to work? I don't think so.

Adobe made a change. They have every right to do so. It also probably makes a lot of sense from their point of view. But I don't like it because it will affect the way I manage and process my photographs in the future. It is not a catastrophe, it is an inconvenience. I am not demanding anything of Adobe. But I hate their recent move precisely because I LIKE Lightroom, I have been using it since 2012 (I bought Lightrooms 4 and 6 and PS/Premiere Elements 4 and 6 before that). I never upgrade to every new version, I skip one or two versions with all software that I buy. I upgrade every 4 or so years. But suddenly If I want to continue using Lightroom the way I am used to I have to shell out 150 EUR per year. The way I have been using photography-related Adobe products the cost was about 150 EUR per 4 years. This represents a 300% hike in the price for me, BTW! Do YOU like hikes in prices by 300%? Well I don't, because I get no extra value for it! And before you start, I don't use nor need Photoshop and have zero need for mobile applications. I also don't care for other bundled products or cloud storage in the Photography plan. Up to now we had a choice with Lightroom. Now we no longer do. So be it, it is not a big deal, but I don't like it and I have valid reasons for it.

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marting94778961

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I guess that if you are using LIghtroom for the first time then a monthly subscription may be OK for you...its your choice.

But I have paid out hundreds of pounds over the last few years buying perpetual versions of Lightroom only to find now that Adobe have changed the ground rules and are going to charge me...again...and I have no choice other than to cough up. There should be some compromise for those loyal users of previous versions. This is really a kick in the mouth from Adobe.

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marting94778961

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Apart from anything else I can't get my head around the new Process Version. How would it affect my edits originally made in Lightroom 3 before I upgraded to Lightroom 6? It's all a bit vague

How to Upgrade to Lightroom Classic 7 - YouTube

In response to the previous email, I suspect that there are a lot of Lightroom 6 users who struggle to pay their mortgages and utility bills and who will find find it difficult to cough up (or justify) a monthly subscription for Lightroom Classic.

I suspect there are a lot of people like myself who paid £200 for the original version, who have upgraded when necessary, and have now been asked to pay a monthly description for the privilage...when they are perfectly happy with the present version...shame on you Adobe.

bitm07Author

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marting94778961 wrote
Apart from anything else I can't get my head around the new Process Version. How would it affect my edits originally made in Lightroom 3 before I upgraded to Lightroom 6? It's all a bit vague

Lightroom CC Classic has a process version option in the Camera Calibration panel, your edit will not be effected providing you don't change this from the process version you originally used.

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Kamae

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For me, it's primary not about the monthly fee that I never will go into CC. From my point of view, the expensive thing is the amount of time and work I invest into my photo developments in Lightroom. And I hate to be dependend on the goodwill of a company, concercing that I can access, enhance or reuse my past work.

That's why buying software is my only accepted choice, if I could not access, enhance or reuse the work from the past with the product given. If I would go to CC, I would be bound to pay monthly fees till infinity to access my previous work; if the product gets discarded, I could not reuse the time spent with the previous photo edits. I would have to start all over for previously edited RAW files.

With the stand-alone licence, I can access, reuse and enhance my work forever. Even if the operating system of the future would not run the program, a virtual machine would.

I'm ok with rented software if it's interchangeable without an effect to my previous work (not only the source and final file, but also the steps between). For example, a text editor is easy to replace; Word on the other hand not really (because of the document format, which is interpreted differently between the word processors) - that's why I bought Office and do not rent Office365.

And it's not comparable to renting a house - I don't put home improvements work of several years into a rented house which does not belong to me. Same for a car. Despite the fact, that these items are more necessary to life than Lightroom.

So be it, without a standalone-licence, I will chose another product. The positive thing is: There are alternatives, and the more people follow, the more advanced these products get.

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jonetkins

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And it's not comparable to renting a house

Yeah, someone said earlier they didn't understand why we're complaining, considering that people make monthly payments on their mortgage, car, etc, all the time. But the reason they do that is simply that they can't afford to buy the thing outright in the first place, and therefore accept the financial penalty of paying it off over time. I would posit that there's absolutely no comparison with this situation - nobody is choosing to subscribe to CC because they can't afford to buy a perpetual licence.

bitm07Author

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Persuading Lightroom 6 users to switch to Lightroom CC to going to be tough.

If you give us $9.99 a month, you will have access to an all new version of Lightroom CC that has a develop mode with reduced functionality (no tone curve, HSL pallett, split toning etc), and you won't get the Map, Book, Slideshow, Print and Web modules that you have become accustomed too either, or the photomerge options (HDR and panoramic) or the new features like Color Range and Luminance Masking that were added to Lightroom CC classic yesterday, but you do get 1TB of cloud storage and the hassle of learning the ins and outs of the new cloud storage based version of Lightroom.

I'm still learning the in's and out's of LR CC myself, so correct me if any of this is incorrect.

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Anonymous

That's right. All the limitations of the "cloud" and mobile devices brought direct to your

desktop.

A quote from a recent review:

" But it's Apple Photos, just with sync that works. It's Google Photos,

with a few more tools, like radial and linear gradient masks, but without

the automation intelligence....It has to catch up with the competition before

it can catch up with its own big brother."

Basically, the new product is geared toward the selfie, gadget generation!

I have been a customer of Adobe since Photoshop 1.0 (not CS1, the very first

release of Photoshop) and Adobe like many others has become to big for its own

good and overcome with greed. They like many other massive corporations have

adopted the 90% rule. Design and market products for the 90%, the remaining

10% simply DO NOT MATTER.

Also, any company that makes the statement "for the foreseeable future", already has

plans to eliminate a product. It is not a matter of if but when!

bitm07Author

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woodmeister50 wrote
I have been a customer of Adobe since Photoshop 1.0 (not CS1, the very first
release of Photoshop) and Adobe like many others has become to big for its own
good and overcome with greed. They like many other massive corporations have
adopted the 90% rule. Design and market products for the 90%, the remaining
10% simply DO NOT MATTER.

That philosophy is working for Adobe, just take a look at their latest sale figures. Revenues and profit's are soaring and that's the be all and end all for large corporations like Adobe, nothing any of us are going to say or do is going to change that.

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