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Rikk Flohr_Photography
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August 13, 2024
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P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

  • August 13, 2024
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This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.
Camera Raw feedback can be found here.
 
Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size. 
 
Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now. 
 
We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed. 
 
Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots. 
 
Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post: 
  • App version
  • System details
  • Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!
 
Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

 

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Participant
January 10, 2025

Can give very decent results - but the natural texture and grain from the original area are lost. The result is fine for my general current needs (usually significantly downsampled) - but something to keep an eye on...

 

johnrellis
Legend
January 10, 2025

Many have observed here that the replacements made by Generative Remove sometimes don't match the photo well. To get better matches, these techniques sometimes help:

1. Adobe recommends applying Denoise before Remove. This can reduce the noise, making it more likely the replacement will match.

2. The replacement patch supplied by Adobe Firefly has a maximum size of 2048 x 2048 pixels. If the selected area in the photo is larger than that, then the replacement patch gets upscaled (and blurry). Try using smaller selections if possible.

3. Make a larger selection, even including the entire background. Upscaling of the replacement sometimes won't be noticeble then.

4. Sometimes there's a distinctly visible boundary where the tone or noise don't match. You can often use the heal tool around the boundary to get better feathering and make it less noticeable -- apply Heal in small brush strokes. Sometimes, making a very raggedy selection around the object makes the boundary less noticeable.

5. For grain/noise in particular, see this post for how to ameliorate the problem by adding the grain back or reducing the grain:
https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14917497#M382464

Participant
January 9, 2025

Very simple. Give us a prompt in LR to say REMOVE! not replace a subject with another person. 

johnrellis
Legend
January 9, 2025

"Very simple. Give us a prompt in LR to say REMOVE! not replace a subject with another person."

 

See this short article for how to remove objects reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot). With nearly every one of the many dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

Participant
January 9, 2025

It works well, but I would _love_ to be able to feather the edges. It's often quite obvious where the fill starts. 

For example, you can clearly see the brush edge here:

 

johnrellis
Legend
January 9, 2025

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Many have observed here that the replacements made by Generative Remove sometimes don't match the photo well. In your example, you can ameliorate the problem by using the Heal tool to feather the replacement with the surrounding background -- apply it in short, overlapping strokes:

 

Other techniques that sometimes help:

 

1. Adobe recommends applying Denoise before Remove.

2. The replacement patch supplied by Adobe Firefly has a maximum size of 2048 x 2048 pixels. If the selected area in the photo is larger than that, then the replacement patch gets upscaled (and blurry).

 

3. Make a larger selection, even including the entire background.

4. For grain/noise in particular, see this post for how to ameliorate the problem by adding the grain back or reducing the grain:
https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14917497#M382464

jtwind
Participant
January 7, 2025

spot removal just doesn't work any longer in my lightroom classic

johnrellis
Legend
January 7, 2025

@jtwind: "spot removal just doesn't work any longer in my lightroom classic"

 

Please describe in more detail what you're trying and observing. A full-resolution screenshot (not a phone pic) can be most effective.

jtwind
Participant
January 7, 2025

clicking on specific dust spot, none of the spot removal modes get rid of it. Tried all three.  Had to got to photoshop.

Known Participant
January 6, 2025

Wasn't able to remove the wires using Lightroom Classic.   Photoshop was much better.    Detailed instruction link for using LR?

johnrellis
Legend
January 6, 2025

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Uncheck the option Detect Objects -- it often doesn't work very well, especially with long skinny objects and objects on the edges of the photo. Then select the entire wire with a single selection, even if there are some trees intervening -- otherwise, Remove sometimes tries to generate a replacement matching the rest of the wire:

 

 

See this short article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Participant
January 6, 2025

Still not at professional level quality.

I find Generative Remove useful in some cases, but most of the time it's completely unusable due to the weird texture/grain quality of the AI-produced image. It shows up the worst on flat, even sections of an image (like the sky).

In these cases, Generative Remove is easy to spot - there's an obvious colour, texture, and sometimes exposure shift. Even if the AI-generated image blends in well in terms of shape or overall content, it can't seem to match the grain/pixel texture of photographs from professional cameras.

johnrellis
Legend
January 6, 2025

@Jeremy26803694vwct: "In these cases, Generative Remove is easy to spot - there's an obvious colour, texture, and sometimes exposure shift."

 

Lots of people have complained about the replacements not matching in grain, noise, or tone.

To get better matches, these techniques sometimes help (but often not):

1. Adobe recommends applying Denoise before Remove.

2. The replacement patch supplied by Adobe Firefly has a maximum size of 2048 x 2048 pixels. If the selected area in the photo is larger than that, then the replacement patch gets upscaled (and blurry).

 

3. Make a larger selection of the background.

4. Sometimes there's a distinctly visible boundary where the tone or noise don't match. You can often use the heal tool around the boundary to get better feathering and make it less noticeable -- apply Heal in small brush strokes.

2. For grain/noise in particular, see this post for how to ameliorate the problem by adding the grain back or reducing the grain:
https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14917497#M382464

 

Participating Frequently
January 5, 2025

AI wordt nog steeds niet opgeslagen in je foto
Bij opnieuw openen heb je weer wat anders

Known Participant
January 5, 2025
That's interesting. I have not had that experience. I will try to see if I
can duplicate something like that. Furthermore, I use AI in Lightroom and
export to Photoshop sometimes - further edit and save back to Lightroom.
The AI-edited images stay edited.


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Participating Frequently
January 3, 2025

In Lightroom Classic, I've been trying to remove a cheese plant from behind a person, but without success. It keeps giving variations on a cheese plant! It would be very helpful, if I could say in words, what to do... For example remove plant from behind person.

Participating Frequently
January 3, 2025

johnrellis
Legend
January 3, 2025

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@Neil2370517928lm: "I've been trying to remove a cheese plant from behind a person, but without success. It keeps giving variations on a cheese plant!"

 

You must select all of the plant, including the dark parts that aren't very noticeable. Otherwise Remove will try very hard to generate a replacement that matches the remaining bits of the plant.

 

You can temporarily increase Exposure to see all the parts of the plant, apply Remove to all parts of the plant, then decrease Exposure. For example:

 

I had to try about 15 variations before finding a good replacement background.  You could make the generated background even less noticeable by using a Background mask and dropping its Exposure:

 

 

Or you could skip Remove altogether and just use the Background mask!

 

 

Participant
January 3, 2025

The removal tool is now working. Is there an update coming to help make this feature work again?

 

johnrellis
Legend
January 3, 2025

@samantha_2390: "The removal tool is [not] working."

 

After clicking Remove, make sure the Opacity slider is 100. A likely bug in LR sometimes sets it to 0.

 

If this doesn't help, please provide a lot more detail about what you're seeing -- "not working" isn't very informative.  Full-resolution screenshots (not phone pics) can often give useful clues.

Participant
January 3, 2025
I don't see an opacity slider when I click on Remove. Where is it?


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Participant
January 2, 2025

To me, the ideal way that the AI removing tool should work is just like Photoshop's implementation of it. In most cases, Photoshop does a PERFECT job to completely remove anything I select without the need to type any command. Lightroom often creates new objetcs instead of removing them, which is odd given it is supposed to be a REMOVAL tool, not a creative one like Photoshop's (you can't type any command on Lightroom). I only need to remove stuff, not create new ones.

johnrellis
Legend
January 3, 2025

@defaultjzphsp0ty96o: "Lightroom often creates new objetcs instead of removing them"

 

See this short article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

 

"In most cases, Photoshop does a PERFECT job to completely remove anything I select without the need to type any command."

 

Photoshop's AI Remove uses the same algorithm as LR's.  Please attach an example full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot) where Photoshop does a better job than LR or where the tips in that article don't help.