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P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

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August 13, 2024
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This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.

Camera Raw feedback can be found here.

Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size.

Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now.

We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed.

Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots.

Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post:

App version
System details
Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!

Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

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john_2203

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AI has been working perfect up to this point. Some great improvements have happen most recently. Thanks!

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hendrik_5783

Participant

Hi!

No idea if this hint has already happened: Perhaps it would be useful if you could provide comparison photos, e.g. from the web, to the AI. I have already had the case several times that I wanted to remove a poster or something similar from the picture. The solutions generated were often not so good and in most cases images already exist in the web, from time points at which the disturbing element was not yet there.

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SiamackSF

Participant

The generative Remove has been working very well. Starting today 1/13/2025 it removes tiny objects fine but anything bigger than a "stanp" size is smudged badly.

Lightroom Classic version: 14.1.1 [ 202412150940-551fb044 ]
License: Creative Cloud
Language setting: en-US
Operating system: Mac OS 15
Version: 15.2.0 [24C101]
Application architecture: arm64
Logical processor count: 10
Processor speed: NA
SqLite Version: 3.36.0
Power Source: Battery, 88%
Built-in memory: 65,536.0 MB
Dedicated GPU memory used by Lightroom: 6,061.2MB / 49,152.0MB (12%)
Real memory available to Lightroom: 65,536.0 MB
Real memory used by Lightroom: 12,116.3 MB (18.4%)
Virtual memory used by Lightroom: 422,988.3 MB
Memory cache size: 1,487.7MB
Internal Camera Raw version: 17.1 [ 2098 ]
Maximum thread count used by Camera Raw: 5
Camera Raw SIMD optimization: SSE2
Camera Raw virtual memory: 2626MB / 32767MB (8%)
Camera Raw real memory: 2706MB / 65536MB (4%)

Cache1:
Final1- RAM:937.0MB, VRAM:3,019.0MB, 20241223-cote d'Ivoire-5277.DNG
Final2- RAM:254.0MB, VRAM:0.0MB, 20241223-cote d'Ivoire-5282.DNG
Final3- RAM:532.0MB, VRAM:0.0MB, 20241223-cote d'Ivoire-5277-HDR.dng
NT- RAM:1,723.0MB, VRAM:3,019.0MB, Combined:4,742.0MB

Cache2:
m:1,487.7MB, n:2,148.6MB

U-main: 149.0MB

Standard Preview Size: 3024 pixels
Displays: 1) 3024x1964

Graphics Processor Info:
Metal: Apple M1 Max
Init State: GPU for Export supported by default
User Preference: Auto
Enable HDR in Library: OFF

Application folder: /Applications/Adobe Lightroom Classic
Library Path: /Volumes/Backup 1/West Africa CAT/West Africa CAT.lrcat
Settings Folder: /Users/siamack/Library/Application Support/Adobe/Lightroom

Installed Plugins:
1) AdobeStock
2) Aperture/iPhoto Importer Plug-in
3) Aurora HDR

Config.lua flags:

johnrellis

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@SiamackSF: "but anything bigger than a "[stamp]" size is smudged badly."

There are several easy-to-resolve possible causes. Please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot). Also attach a full-resolution screenshot (not a phone pic) of the entire LR window showing the Remove selection and smudged results.

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tomb2763

Participant

In both LR and PS Beta, I have tried to remove one person from a group photo, but generative ai persistently tries to fill the space with another person. All I want to do is remove the person and fill the space with the background. I have tried everything including tighten the selection, expand the selection to include part of the background, but no matter what I do, PS and LR ai puts another figure in place of the one I am trying to remove. What am I doing wrong? Also, I dragged the photo into your box below, and it said it was too big - come on, as a professional photographer, I deal only in large raw files and I would expect Adobe to accommodate!

August_The_Dragonfly

Participating Frequently

I've had luck using the heal brush and cloning basic background elements over the person first (like a really bad paint over) and then using the generative AI with no prompt in segments to clean up edges and such.

August_The_Dragonfly

Participating Frequently

Seriously the number of times I'm randomly told "We encountered an error please review our guidelines" with 1) No actual explination what it is talking is both extremely unhelpful and extrmemely aggrivating and 2) given my best guess in most cases quite literally inaccurate. I get that it's looking at the whole image to try to generate the best matching content I'm wanting but it's detecting for example too much skin and instead of erasing the flyaway hairs I've selected to erase it's like assuming I'm trying to erase clothing or some nonsense instead of seeing I'm trying to erase a dude in the background.

1) Actually add what the system thinks I'm doing that's against the "guidelines" as that's just plain useful info and not including it is plain stupid. Yes, stupid. Serves no one to not give a proper error message it's 2025 not 1993.

2) Please adjust how it determines this as it's throwing false negatives like crazy.

johnrellis

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@August_The_Dragonfly: "We encountered an error please review our guidelines"

There are a fair number of similar complaints in this thread about Remove mistakenly thinking a photo violates Adobe Firefly guidelines. You can read the "guidelines" (i.e. rules) here:

https://www.adobe.com/legal/licenses-terms/adobe-gen-ai-user-guidelines.html

So far, however, no one has posted sample images that were wrongly flagged.

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Colin332508902nkk

Participant

Hello,

I just switched from LR to LRC and I'm frequently having issues with the gen AI tool in LRC that I cannot replicate in LR when I try to remove the same thing on the same photo. It seems like gen AI has a hard time matching the right exposure (boat removal image) and I've also noticed it will add more texture or grain at times so when you remove something you'll just see a blob in the sky (Kite removal image).

johnrellis

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@Colin332508902nkk, with the boat, it very much looks like you've applied an AI mask to the water to darken it, and that mask didn't include the boat itself:

Do the menu command Settings > Update AI Mask to recompute the mask after removing the boat, and you should get a very good replacement:

A similar issue appears to apply to the kite -- it looks like you've used a Sky mask to lighten the sky, and the mask didn't include the kite. Again, do the command Settings > Update AI Settings to recompute the mask. You should get a much closer (but still somewhat noticeable) replacement with a distinct boundary:

Many have complained here about such mismatches in tone and texture. In this case, you can use the healing brush with many short strokes on the boundary to feather it, making it much less obtrusive:

Other techniques for these mismatches sometimes help:

1. Adobe recommends applying Denoise before Remove. This can reduce the noise, making it more likely the replacement will match.

2. The replacement patch supplied by Adobe Firefly has a maximum size of 2048 x 2048 pixels. If the selected area in the photo is larger than that, then the replacement patch gets upscaled (and blurry). Try using smaller selections if possible.

3. Make a larger selection, even including the entire background. Upscaling of the replacement sometimes won't be noticeble then.

4. Sometimes there's a distinctly visible boundary where the tone or noise don't match. You can often use the heal tool around the boundary to get better feathering and make it less noticeable -- apply Heal in small brush strokes. Sometimes, making a very raggedy selection around the object makes the boundary less noticeable.

5. For grain/noise in particular, see this post for how to ameliorate the problem by adding the grain back or reducing the grain:
https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14917497#M382464

johnrellis

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@Colin332508902nkk: Now that you know the issue with Remove and AI masking, are you still seeing a big difference between LR Desktop and LR Classic? If so, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot), along with screenshots describing the problem edits, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail.

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gabkadt

Participant

Can give very decent results - but the natural texture and grain from the original area are lost. The result is fine for my general current needs (usually significantly downsampled) - but something to keep an eye on...

johnrellis

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Many have observed here that the replacements made by Generative Remove sometimes don't match the photo well. To get better matches, these techniques sometimes help:

1. Adobe recommends applying Denoise before Remove. This can reduce the noise, making it more likely the replacement will match.

2. The replacement patch supplied by Adobe Firefly has a maximum size of 2048 x 2048 pixels. If the selected area in the photo is larger than that, then the replacement patch gets upscaled (and blurry). Try using smaller selections if possible.

3. Make a larger selection, even including the entire background. Upscaling of the replacement sometimes won't be noticeble then.

4. Sometimes there's a distinctly visible boundary where the tone or noise don't match. You can often use the heal tool around the boundary to get better feathering and make it less noticeable -- apply Heal in small brush strokes. Sometimes, making a very raggedy selection around the object makes the boundary less noticeable.

5. For grain/noise in particular, see this post for how to ameliorate the problem by adding the grain back or reducing the grain:
https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14917497#M382464

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Danny3094590247at

Participant

Very simple. Give us a prompt in LR to say REMOVE! not replace a subject with another person.

johnrellis

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"Very simple. Give us a prompt in LR to say REMOVE! not replace a subject with another person."

See this short article for how to remove objects reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot). With nearly every one of the many dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

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Yona24866456x8o1

Participant

It works well, but I would _love_ to be able to feather the edges. It's often quite obvious where the fill starts.

For example, you can clearly see the brush edge here:

johnrellis

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[This post contains formatting and embedded images that don't appear in email. View the post in your Web browser.]

Many have observed here that the replacements made by Generative Remove sometimes don't match the photo well. In your example, you can ameliorate the problem by using the Heal tool to feather the replacement with the surrounding background -- apply it in short, overlapping strokes:

Other techniques that sometimes help:

1. Adobe recommends applying Denoise before Remove.

2. The replacement patch supplied by Adobe Firefly has a maximum size of 2048 x 2048 pixels. If the selected area in the photo is larger than that, then the replacement patch gets upscaled (and blurry).

3. Make a larger selection, even including the entire background.

4. For grain/noise in particular, see this post for how to ameliorate the problem by adding the grain back or reducing the grain:
https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic-amp-lr-eco/m-p/14917497#M382464

jtwind

Participant

spot removal just doesn't work any longer in my lightroom classic

johnrellis

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@jtwind: "spot removal just doesn't work any longer in my lightroom classic"

Please describe in more detail what you're trying and observing. A full-resolution screenshot (not a phone pic) can be most effective.

jtwind

Participant

clicking on specific dust spot, none of the spot removal modes get rid of it. Tried all three. Had to got to photoshop.

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