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January 22, 2023
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  • January 22, 2023
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The Lightroom team is sharing an early look at Generative Remove, which makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions, even on complex backgrounds, with a simple brush stroke. Generative Remove is powered by Firefly AI.
 
How to use Generative Remove on a desktop:

  • You can find Generative Remove under the newly renamed Remove panel (aka “Heal”).
  • Make sure the “generative AI” checkbox is enabled before you start brushing (note: when unchecked, Lightroom will use Content-Aware Remove to fill your brushed spots). 
  • By default, you will be given a moment to refine your selection with an add or subtract brush. Remember to include shadows for a more accurate result! You can also skip this step by holding down ‘CTRL’ on windows or ‘CMD’ on mac as you finish your brush stroke. 
  • Once you’re ready to apply and have accepted the terms, Generative Remove will use Firefly AI to remove your distractions and intelligently fill in the space that’s left by the removed objects. 
  • Note: stable internet connection is required to use this feature.
  • Generative Remove also lets you choose from multiple variations, so you can pick the one you like best, giving you full creative control. 

    Checkout the FAQ and Best Practices
 
Please give it a try and share feedback and/or report variations in this community forum. It would greatly help to include details like which app you are using (i.e., Lightroom Classic or Camera Raw) and other system details. Our team will continually monitor this thread to track issues to improve the future experience.
 
Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager
Posted by: Rikk Flohr 

Update (Dec 2024):  With the new release, it is no longer necessary to perform Generative Remove Operations prior to Cropping. 

Update:
Here are some tips if you are having issues with the feature replacing your object instead of removing it. 
  • Enlarge your selection - if your brush stroke is too tight, you will have unexpected results.
  • Remember that removing an object means painting over it, its shadow, its reflection, and any non-contiguous pieces. If you leave behind a shadow, a reflection, or a disconnected piece (e.g., a hand on a shoulder), the AI will attempt to create something to cast the shadow, reflect, or complete the unbrushed discontinuous item. You can avoid these issues by following the guidance provided in this linked tutorial. https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace

 

The recommended order for applying edits is:

 

  1. Denoise 
  2. Heal (includes Generative AI Remove)
  3. Crop (includes traditional Cropping, Lens Correction, Transform, or any operation changing the geometry of the image, including round-tripping to PS to use Gen-Expand)
  4. Global Edits
  5. AI Selective edits (Sky, Person, etc)

    If you deviate from that, you may see the removed object remain as a ghost image. If this occurs, you will have to use Update AI Settings, which can be found under the Develop module 'Settings' menu.

 

Correct answer daleducatte

Hi, I'm getting the same error messages, as are some other people.  There's a recent post on Reddit from an Adobe employee that Adobe is aware of the problem and is working on it. See here:

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/Lightroom/comments/1fka2el/suddenly_unable_to_use_the_remove_tool_due_to/

894 replies

Participating Frequently
July 8, 2024

Well that was easy.  After giving up on Generative Remove (Lightroom Classic) when it insisted on replacing the person I was trying to remove with a  random person...different person every time I tried.  I read the recommendations posted here, found the original uncropped photo and...it worked like a charm. I have no suggestion about what to do but somehow there should be a warning/advice to those who don't know not to crop before trying to remove or they will be as frustrated as many of those posting here. 

The removal was rather tricky since it was a photo of two people standing rignt next to each other but I'm satisfied with the results.  and don't want to post since I do not have permission from either of those involved

johnrellis
Legend
July 8, 2024

@louloubell"somehow there should be a warning/advice to those who don't know not to crop before trying to remove or they will be as frustrated as many of those posting here."

 

Agreed. There are even more confusing situations that will silently crop pixels and confuse Remove, such as applying Lens Corrections or using one of many cameras for which LR automatically crops a 10 - 16 pixel border from the photo (that you can't stop).

Participant
July 7, 2024

AI Remove isnt working for me     Im able to select and it gets shaded out    when I hit apply it does not disappear just adds a white line around it?

 

johnrellis
Legend
July 7, 2024

@gotr903: "Im able to select and it gets shaded out    when I hit apply it does not disappear just adds a white line around it?"

 

Set the Opacity slider to 100. Does that fix it?

Participant
July 6, 2024

Loving the feature so far. One issue I am having is removing railings. It seems to just replace it with similar railings, but I want the whole railing gone. You can see in the pictures below, masked in red is what I want removed. The second picture is what the generative fill comes up with. 

johnrellis
Legend
July 6, 2024

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@Amy23951275i2q6: "It seems to just replace it with similar railings, but I want the whole railing gone"

 

This is an example of Big Brother Adobe not allowing you to show an oblivious, love-struck couple about to fall off a deck without railings. 😆 

 

More serously, after a lot of experimentation, I think this is an example of where you need to select all the disconnected pieces of the object and any shadows it casts. Otherwise, Remove will generate a replacement that matches the remaining pieces and shadows.  This tip appears in the FAQ at the top of this thread and in this more extensive article:

https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

 

In this case, you have to select all the railings and the subtle shadows they cast on the deck:

 

Also, I found good replacements by selecting all the water appearing between the railings.  Since I'm working with your screenshot, I can't tell how well this will work on the full photo. Also, be sure to undo any Crops, Lens Corrections, or Transform before applying Remove.

 

If you're still having trouble, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo.

 

 

 

 

johnrellis
Legend
July 6, 2024

@Amy23951275i2q6, also, select all the pieces of the railing and the parts of the deck with shadows with a single brush stroke. Then use Refine > Subtract and Add to deselect the couple. There's a bug in Remove where variations and refreshes only apply to the first brush stroke.

Jeff A. Goulden
Inspiring
July 6, 2024

I'm just going to use the Photoshop remove tool until the Lightroom remove tool evolves.  I'm checking out of this conversation.

Jeff A. Goulden
Inspiring
July 6, 2024

How does one unsubscribe from this forum thread without unsubscribing from all Adobe communications?  I unchecked the box that says "Email me when someone replies" but that didn't work.

johnrellis
Legend
July 6, 2024

Click "Unfollow" at the bottom of the top post. I've observed that it could take up to a day for that to take effect and sometimes it doesn't. (The forum platform leased by Adobe is mediocre at best.)

Known Participant
July 6, 2024

So a tool where Adobe decides to implement censorship on what can and cannot be processed is not something I am interested in.  How long before you apply the same censorship to Photoshop and Lightroom.?  I am purchasing a tool to use as I see fit.  I am not processing anything I do not own and I am not modifying images other than to expand portrait to landscape and to remove background content.  Your "censorship" has on several occasions refused to function because of supposed guidelines.  In most cases it was people wearing bathing suits.  In some cases they were fully clothed.  I do not need a censor.  I need tools that work.  

johnrellis
Legend
July 6, 2024

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@waltweiss: "Your "censorship" has on several occasions refused to function because of supposed guidelines.  In most cases it was people wearing bathing suits."

 

Do you get any kind of notification when Remove doesn't remove a person in a bathing suit? There haven't been any other reports of this here.

 

I downloaded about 20 beach photos from Google of men and women, half in skimpy bathing suits and half with full-frontal nudity, and each time Remove did a good job of removing them. For example:

 

 

More likely, you're encountering the "replace instead of remove" issue.  See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

 

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to remove the desired objects.

 

Known Participant
July 6, 2024

I want the people in bathing suits - I dont want things in the background.

 

For example, this was shot in an airplane hangar and there was a helicopter and part of a cessna in the background.  I had to use content aware and clone tool to get rid of it because Lightroom generative remove refused due to "guidelines"

I still have a lot more to do to the image - but got frustrated with the repeated "guidelines" warning - which only said to review the guidelines

 

Inspiring
July 6, 2024

I have tried the new Remove tool twice on two different files and each time it failed and could not be used.  In one file I tried to remove the roof of a house sticking out through trees in a small part of the photo. In the second file I tried to remove a small object. In both instances the software generated different versions of what I was trying to remove and did not actually remove anything.  This was true for all three versions and even the refreshed versions. 

johnrellis
Legend
July 6, 2024

@MarkNF: "the software generated different versions of what I was trying to remove and did not actually remove anything. "

 

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. With nearly everyone who has posted a problem photo, we've been able to show how to remove the desired objects.

Inspiring
July 6, 2024

I’m attaching a jpeg (exported from LR to my desktop) of one of the files that has not been processed. When I use PS’s Remove tool it works perfectly. I am trying to remove the house in the upper right corner. 

 

Thanks for your help.

 

Also, please disregard the Replies I sent via email.

 

Mark






Known Participant
July 6, 2024

De gros progrès par rapport à l'ancien outil supprimer. Par contre 2 bugs a améliorer : 1) si on recadre la photo avant de l'utiliser, le résultat est beaucoup moins bon, il reste des petites parties de l'objet. 2) idem si on corrige la selection en ajoutant un morceau oublié, il semble que ce morceau n'est pas bien traité. Pour info j'essaie de supprimer une partie d'un vetement posé sur de l'herbe dans un coin

johnrellis
Legend
July 6, 2024

@MARCEL34521755ixpi: "if you crop the photo before using it, the result is much less good, small parts of the object remain."

 

Adobe explicitly designed Remove to look at the entire photo, so if you use Remove on a cropped version, you may not be selecting all the pixels of an object, and Remove will generate a replacement that tries to match those remaining pixels.

 

Their thinking is that if you apply Remove to just the cropped pixels and then change the crop, there won't be odd bits of objects left un-removed.

 

But this behavior has confused many, many people here thinking that Remove doesn't work very well ("Photoshop works better"). Cropping is the first thing most people do in their workflow.  

 

So some of us have proposed either that Remove looks only at cropped pixels, or that Remove generates a warning when Crop, Lens Corrections, or Transform have been applied, or that when the Remove panel is open, Crop, Lens Corrections, and Transform are temporarily disabled.

Inspiring
July 7, 2024

I think a fourth option must be considered, (maybe) in comjunction with showing an uncropped version: make selecting compatible with Object Masking: the user could select using the brush and/or the rectangle and let Firefly select the whole object, including the invisible/out-of-crop part of it.
Object Masking selections are soo much better than the current Remove selections. Is there any reason not to reuse the Object Masking component for the Remove selections?

The extra rectangle would help with many rectangular objects (e.g. bricks, windows, doors, etc.) and is more time and effort efficient.

 
Participant
July 5, 2024

works

Participating Frequently
July 5, 2024

Does this work also in the white corners you get with perspective correction/rotate (when you do not constrain crop to maximize image area)? So far LR has considered those areas not picture areas and thus uneditable (for some technical reason), but post headline says "across all surfaces". 🙂

~~ LR user since 2006, PS since 1991 ~~
johnrellis
Legend
July 5, 2024

@F1XX: "Does this work also in the white corners you get with perspective correction/rotate (when you do not constrain crop to maximize image area)?"

 

Unfortunately not -- those corners are off-limits to all LR commands. You'd have to fix them in Photoshop.

 

"but post headline says "across all surfaces"."

 

That's Adobe's internal jargon for all the products in the Lightroom family: Classic, Desktop, Mobile, Web, Camera Raw.

Participating Frequently
July 5, 2024

Dämn, I hope this get corrected. Seems so unnecessary to create all new extra 120 MB file fo such small fixup.

~~ LR user since 2006, PS since 1991 ~~
Participant
July 5, 2024

I can see it sometimes conflicts with denoice AI. If I removed something and then I do the Denoice AI option it comes back with something strange I already wiped with the AI option. Seems the two are not yet in sync, so when I used AI on the original RAW, I then do denoice with AI, then I have to redo again the same action with Genarative AI to remove an object I didn't see anymore on the RAW. Can this be fixed? Regardless of this I love the options and work above expectations.

johnrellis
Legend
July 5, 2024

@Dirk3844418208z3: "If I removed something and then I do the Denoice AI option it comes back with something strange I already wiped with the AI option."

 

According to the FAQ posted at the top of this thread, Adobe recommends this order for applying the tools:

 

"The recommended order for applying is: Denoise; Remove (includes Generative AI Remove); Crop/Edit; AI masking. If you deviate from that you may see the removed object remains as a ghost image. If this occurs you will have to use Update AI Settings, which can be found under the Develop module 'Settings' menu."

Participant
July 5, 2024

@johnrellis Thank, as for me, denoice on 614 (iindoor) photos takes a very long time, so that was the reason for me to do it as last action when I am asleep. Thanks for your reply.