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January 22, 2023
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The Lightroom team is sharing an early look at Generative Remove, which makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions, even on complex backgrounds, with a simple brush stroke. Generative Remove is powered by Firefly AI.

How to use Generative Remove on a desktop:

You can find Generative Remove under the newly renamed Remove panel (aka “Heal”).
Make sure the “generative AI” checkbox is enabled before you start brushing (note: when unchecked, Lightroom will use Content-Aware Remove to fill your brushed spots).
By default, you will be given a moment to refine your selection with an add or subtract brush. Remember to include shadows for a more accurate result! You can also skip this step by holding down ‘CTRL’ on windows or ‘CMD’ on mac as you finish your brush stroke.
Once you’re ready to apply and have accepted the terms, Generative Remove will use Firefly AI to remove your distractions and intelligently fill in the space that’s left by the removed objects.
Note: stable internet connection is required to use this feature.
Generative Remove also lets you choose from multiple variations, so you can pick the one you like best, giving you full creative control.

Checkout the FAQ and Best Practices

Please give it a try and share feedback and/or report variations in this community forum. It would greatly help to include details like which app you are using (i.e., Lightroom Classic or Camera Raw) and other system details. Our team will continually monitor this thread to track issues to improve the future experience.

Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager
Posted by: Rikk Flohr

Update (Dec 2024): With the new release, it is no longer necessary to perform Generative Remove Operations prior to Cropping.

Update:

Here are some tips if you are having issues with the feature replacing your object instead of removing it.

Enlarge your selection - if your brush stroke is too tight, you will have unexpected results.
Remember that removing an object means painting over it, its shadow, its reflection, and any non-contiguous pieces. If you leave behind a shadow, a reflection, or a disconnected piece (e.g., a hand on a shoulder), the AI will attempt to create something to cast the shadow, reflect, or complete the unbrushed discontinuous item. You can avoid these issues by following the guidance provided in this linked tutorial. https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace

The recommended order for applying edits is:

Denoise
Heal (includes Generative AI Remove)
Crop (includes traditional Cropping, Lens Correction, Transform, or any operation changing the geometry of the image, including round-tripping to PS to use Gen-Expand)
Global Edits
AI Selective edits (Sky, Person, etc)

If you deviate from that, you may see the removed object remain as a ghost image. If this occurs, you will have to use Update AI Settings, which can be found under the Develop module 'Settings' menu.

Correct answer daleducatte

Hi, I'm getting the same error messages, as are some other people. There's a recent post on Reddit from an Adobe employee that Adobe is aware of the problem and is working on it. See here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Lightroom/comments/1fka2el/suddenly_unable_to_use_the_remove_tool_due_to/

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Love.PhotoandVideo

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Remove AI does not wotk on an image that is HDR combined from three different exposures in lightroom

johnrellis

Legend

@Love.PhotoandVideo: "Remove AI does not wotk on an image that is HDR combined from three different exposures in lightroom"

I just did some tests with HDR merges and didn't see any problems with Remove. Most likely, your issue is unrelated to Merge. See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original merged DNG and call out the object you're like to remove.

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Matthieu384426282szr

Participant

used it on my bbq aside the white wall of my house. it ALWAYS create a new object when i just wanted to erase the bbq leaving the white wall naked. So frustrating

johnrellis

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@Matthieu384426282szr: "it ALWAYS create a new object when i just wanted to erase the bbq leaving the white wall naked"

Your screenshot suggests you used Object Aware to select the barbeque. Sometimes Object Aware leaves a bit of the object unselected, it doesn't include subtle shadows or reflections, or it doesn't use a large enough boundary around the object.

So the first thing to try when this happens is simply to click Refine and select a larger boundary around the object, which usually corrects the problem.

I was able to quickly remove the replacement and the white outlines from your screenshot:

See this article for additional advice on how to use Remove to more reliably remove rather than replace:

https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

If that doesn't help, please attach here a JPEG exported from the original unmodified photo. Nearly always there's a simple tip that will correct the issue.

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GIFFOU

Participant

Yup that worked, but that erased some flowers and make it less natural on some variations (not that bad on this photo but on others that could be a down for me). Thank you !

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paulmphotos

Participant

Loving the generative AI remove tool. Here's some feedback that might help:

1. When you hit refresh to "generate again," it would better to add the new variations to the list of existing variations, rather than replacing them. (Sometimes the first results are better, but they're lost.)

2. It'd be nice to have an "on/off" preview switch when choosing the variation, to see how it compares to the original image. This would be especially useful when trying to remove a distracting object from a photo whilst ensuring the result is true to the original image.

johnrellis

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@paulmphotos: "When you hit refresh to "generate again," it would better to add the new variations to the list of existing variations, rather than replacing them. (Sometimes the first results are better, but they're lost.)"

Agreed -- Photoshop builds a list of all the generated variations (as thumbnails). A tip: When you see a variation you like, create a new Snapshot preserving it (Cmd/Ctrl N). Then in the Snapshot panel, you can hover the mouse over all the snapshots to quickly compare which one you like best. Not as convenient as PS's UI, but it gets the job done.

"an "on/off" preview switch when choosing the variation, to see how it compares to the original image."

Click and hold the eyeball icon in the lower-left:

Opt/Alt click it and it becomes a permanent toggle.

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paulmphotos

Participant

"When you see a variation you like, create a new Snapshot preserving it "

That's a good workaround. I'll try it.

"Click and hold the eyeball icon in the lower-left"

I didn't see that! Thanks, it works a treat.

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Alan3843523253g5

Participant

Have used the removal tool several times on very basic objects and it continues to fail so I have to do it in Photoshop.

johnrellis

Legend

@Alan3843523253g5: "Have used the removal tool several times on very basic objects and it continues to fail so I have to do it in Photoshop."

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. If the forum won't let you attach it, upload it to Dropbox, Google Drive, or similar and post the sharing link here.

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Mike_Callahan

Participant

Works OK for me. Just need to be paitent and redo it, if you want a better repair from the remove tool. It dose save time in most cases.

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Kevin384309686zfj

Participant

I think it is very helpful. But I agree with most people, it doesn't always remove properly. I think if you guys add an option to add or remove objet that the AI can reconize the request easily, than just asume that a little duck is better person in the background. (Yes, the AI added a duck to replace a person)

johnrellis

Legend

@Kevin384309686zfj: "it doesn't always remove properly"

Almost all of the complaints with Remove replacing instead of removing are addressed by this article:

https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

If that doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the original unmodified photo and call out what you're trying to remove. Of the people who have done that in this thread, we've almost always been able to address the issue.

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johnprose

Participant

Does anyone have an issue when the Denoise facility is used after the remove tool?

i have found it resamples tge area with less impressive results to the initial action

Ian Lyons

Community Expert

@johnprose

As recommended in the notes provided at top of thread (copied below for easy reference), denoise should be carried out before using Generative AI Remove

"he recommended order for applying is: Denoise - Heal (includes Generative AI Remove) - Crop/Edit - AI Selective edits. If you deviate from that you may see the removed object remains as a ghost image. If this occurs you will have to use Update AI Settings, which can be found under the Develop module 'Settings' menu."

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johnprose

Participant

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garnier91479932

Participant

Absolutely impressed each and every time I have used this feature. Nails it first time the vast majority of times I have used it. Have only had to use refresh a couple of times. I like it!

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defaultzsvgghqk9zs6

Participant

Love the tool most of the time. But three times I was trying to get rid of a person and it replaced it with a cat? Like what? Second like ten times now when trying to remove an object it replaces it with a trash can. I even include the shadow when masking. I don't know why it seems to want to give me cats and trash cans. It is kind of funny but definitely needs to be fixed

johnrellis

Legend

@defaultzsvgghqk9zs6: "But three times I was trying to get rid of a person and it replaced it with a cat?"

See this article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo, so we and Adobe can see the issue in detail. If the forum won't let you attach it, upload it to Dropbox, Google Drive, or similar and post the sharing link here.

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Mr_Frazier

Participant

The new Generative AI feature is great. As we know in editing, time is EVERYTHING. The variations are very helpful. However, it would be awesome to feature objects/subjects such the masking option (e.g., select clothing, then allow AI to remove lint, whrinkles, etc.) Just a thought. Thanks again for all you guys do to improve the interface.

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