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Todd Shaner
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November 8, 2018
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Performance Feedback Needed: i7-7700 and i7-8700 Systems

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I'm getting ready to bite-the-bullet and purchase a new system. Currently using a Windows 7 system with i7-860 quad-core processor, 12 GB memory, 256GB SSD, 2TB HDD, and Nvidia Quadro 600 graphics card. With Canon 5D MKII 21 mp raw files performance is quite good in both the Develop and Library modules using a single 2560x1440 monitor. Import, Preview Building, and Export times aren't bad either. But my drives are filling up and I often run out of memory when working in both LR and PS. In addition I need to update to Windows 10, but one of the devices I use on this system doesn't have Windows 10 drivers. So a new Windows 10 system is needed as Adobe phases out support for Windows 7.

The Intel i7-8700K six-core processor looks like the best value, but there have been numerous reports of poor performance with six or more core based systems.

Lightroom: Slow performance on Xeon CPUs | Photoshop Family Customer Community

Photoshop Lightroom (standalone) is very slow

Lightroom CC disgustingly slow - old issue, NEED ANSWERS

My 2nd choice is the i7-7700K quad-core processor, but there have been reports of slow performance with this processor.

New PC built for editing but Lightroom is slow. Need troubleshooting help please

Poor LR-performance

What I'm looking for is feedback from LR users with systems using either of these processors with LR 7.5 or 8.0. In particular what you are seeing when scrolling through the Library module reviewing images and when making adjustment to images in the Develop module. Also would be interested in performance when importing and exporting mage files. This information is useful to both users looking to upgrade their systems and Adobe Engineering looking to fix current performance issues.

Thank you for your timely feedback!

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4 replies

Inspiring
November 14, 2018

If there is anyone with an iMac Pro running LR I'd like to hear their experience.

The reason is I was considering an iMac Pro for LR, but most opinions were that a smaller number (4) of faster cores would be better and LR would still be lagging when skipping through photos in Develop. My feeling is that the newer LR versions are using more cores so maybe an iMac Pro is a good choice. By the way, I know an iMac Pro might be some overkill but I'm planning to buy the cheapest configuration (8 cores and 32GB RAM) and I'd like my desktop computer to be future proof (I always keep it for 6-7 years).

Todd Shaner
Legend
November 24, 2018

I received my new six-core (12 virtual cores) i7-8700K Windows 10 Pro system from CPU Solutions. The system was well packaged and the overall build looks good with no issues so far. See my reply #17 here for system specs. I'm still in the process of moving everything over from my old i7-860 system, but have run some tests with LR Classic 8.0. The Import, Export, Preview Building, Library and Develop module operations are all noticeably faster and more "fluid" including local Adjustment Brush and Spot Healing. Keep in mind I didn't have any real LR issues with my older i7-860, but good to know the i7-8700K six-core processor is an improvement. I'll report back with any issues discovered after the old system's programs and files are fully migrated to the new system. Right now I'm a happy six-core user!

Todd Shaner
Legend
December 8, 2018

I've been using the new i7-8700K six core system extensively with LR and PS over the past two weeks.I have yet to see slowdown of ANY operation including applying a large number of Spot Removal Clone and Heal spots. Absolutely a joy!

Community Expert
November 10, 2018

I am pretty sure the 6 core issue was fixed quite a while ago. Don't know which version and they did indeed not make a big deal about it.

Todd Shaner
Legend
November 10, 2018

https://forums.adobe.com/people/Jao+vdL  wrote

I am pretty sure the 6 core issue was fixed quite a while ago. Don't know which version and they did indeed not make a big deal about it.

Adobe Engineer Simon Chen's last reply at Photoshop Family report was 11 months ago concerning opt-ins for the developer preview that supposedly fixes the issue. It makes no sense that Adobe hasn't been more open about correcting this issue. I mean if the performance issues were actually fixed for the majority of users with six or more core systems why wouldn't they have announced it?

Lightroom: Slow performance on Xeon CPUs | Photoshop Family Customer Community

I'll contact Adobe Engineering directly and see if if I can get a definitive answer.

Todd Shaner
Legend
November 13, 2018

I had a discussion today with Adobe Engineer Simon Chen, Principal Computer Scientist. He confirmed LR 7.2 and higher has been updated to better utilize six or more core processors. This includes Import, Preview Building, Export, and Develop module operations. However, extensive Adjustment Brush and Spot Removal applications may still slow down LR system performance. This is due to the overhead required for nondestructive editing and not something Adobe is able to address satisfactorily at this time. When extensive local editing is required the best option is to use ‘Edit in Photoshop.’ You can also use the Range Mask controls with the Adjustment Brush, Radial Filter, and Graduated Filter to better “localize” the edits using fewer brush spots. Simon mentioned he personally uses both eight-core and 16-core (physical cores) Windows systems and LR's performance scales up well on both.

I'll be researching available i7-8700K Windows 10 systems. If anyone's interested I'll post some of the units I find that have good base specs for LR usage. I'll be looking for i7-8700K systems with at least a 1TB SSD, 3TB HDD, 32 GB Memory, and an Nvidia P2000 Quadro graphics card.

KR Seals
Community Expert
Community Expert
November 10, 2018

A couple of months ago I built this Win 10 PC system:

I7 8700K

Asus Z390 MB with 64GB ram

Samsung 512 GB Nvme SSD for system and programs

Samsung 512 GB 860 SATA for LR catalog and previews

Multiple 8 and 4 TB hard drives for the photos and video files.

Reused 5 year old GTX 970 gpu.

Clean Win 10 install.

The system checks very good on bench marks. LR CC CL V 7 and 8 have worked very quickly and smoothly on the 45 MP files from my Nikon D850 including up to 11 image panoramas. The only continuing issue is LR CL bogs down with local adjustments like a lot of spot healing. When I need that, I go to Photoshop.

I am very happy with this system. It replaces my old I7 3930 that is 5 years old and now my standby machine.

Ken Seals - Nikon Z 9, Z 8, 14mm-800mm. Computer Win 11 Pro, I7-14700K, 64GB, RTX3070TI. Travel machine: 2021 MacBook Pro M1 MAX 64GB. All Adobe apps.
dj_paige
Legend
November 10, 2018

KR Seals

Please tell us the size of your monitor in pixels (not inches).

KR Seals
Community Expert
Community Expert
November 10, 2018

running two NEC PA-272-Ws, About 266-x1440 PIXELS I only use them both in LR occasionally, but doing that causes no issues.

Ken Seals - Nikon Z 9, Z 8, 14mm-800mm. Computer Win 11 Pro, I7-14700K, 64GB, RTX3070TI. Travel machine: 2021 MacBook Pro M1 MAX 64GB. All Adobe apps.
dj_paige
Legend
November 9, 2018

I am going to be buying a new computer as well ... and I am strongly considering the i7-8700k processor.

Two of the links you gave refere to Xeon processors and as far as I know, that was an issue specific to Xeon and not related to the broader base of Intel processors. The other does talk about a 6-core processor, but again it is my understanding (I can't seem to find the exact link) that whatever problem LR used to have with 6 processors or more is now gone, that 6 core processors are definitely working well now, that Adobe has fixed this.

What I'm looking for is feedback from LR users with systems using either of these processors with LR 7.5 or 8.0. In particular what you are seeing when scrolling through the Library module reviewing images and when making adjustment to images in the Develop module

Scrolling in the develop module does not really depend much on the CPU, it depends on the speed of the disk (and whatever is going on in the background may affect this; and certainly improperly configuring anti-virus to scan photos will also affect this). My feeling regarding the library module is that if you avoid the major known cause of slowness (4K or larger monitors), that you ought to be fine. Unfortunately, a lot of problem reports in this forum do not mention monitor size, and so can't be evaluated. I plan on sticking with my 1920x1080 monitor, and don't expect problems in the Develop Module.

Todd Shaner
Legend
November 9, 2018

dj_paige  wrote

I am going to be buying a new computer as well ... and I am strongly considering the i7-8700k processor.

Two of the links you gave refere to Xeon processors and as far as I know, that was an issue specific to Xeon and not related to the broader base of Intel processors. The other does talk about a 6-core processor, but again it is my understanding (I can't seem to find the exact link) that whatever problem LR used to have with 6 processors or more is now gone, that 6 core processors are definitely working well now, that Adobe has fixed this.

That's the issue. I can't find anything in the Adobe forums or blogs that clearly states specific performance updates have been applied that now allow six-core processors to exhibit good performance. The consensus in the past (pre LR Classic 7.0) was to use the fastest quad-core processor you could afford. This was due to the large number of users reporting poor LR performance with high-end systems using 6, 8, 10, and 12 core processors.

dj_paige  wrote

Scrolling in the develop module does not really depend much on the CPU, it depends on the speed of the disk (and whatever is going on in the background may affect this; and certainly improperly configuring anti-virus to scan photos will also affect this)

Agreed, but again there are a large number of users with high-end systems reporting slow scrolling and screen updates when making adjustments in the Develop module. Most of these systems use multiple SSDs, which should eliminate disk transfer-speed from the equation.

I'm looking for input from users who currently run LR on these two "best value" processors with LR 7.5 and the most recent 8.0 versions. It's a shame Adobe doesn't provide input on processor requirements similar to what they provide for GPU. Understandably it would be very bad press from a marketing perspective for Adobe to "officially" recommend using only lower performance processors with LR. So we users can only establish this information based on input from other users reporting here and in other forums.

dj_paige
Legend
November 9, 2018

https://forums.adobe.com/people/Todd+Shaner  wrote

dj_paige   wrote

I am going to be buying a new computer as well ... and I am strongly considering the i7-8700k processor.

Two of the links you gave refere to Xeon processors and as far as I know, that was an issue specific to Xeon and not related to the broader base of Intel processors. The other does talk about a 6-core processor, but again it is my understanding (I can't seem to find the exact link) that whatever problem LR used to have with 6 processors or more is now gone, that 6 core processors are definitely working well now, that Adobe has fixed this.

That's the issue. I can't find anything in the Adobe forums or blogs that clearly states specific performance updates have been applied that now allow six-core processors to exhibit good performance. The consensus in the past (pre LR Classic 7.0) was to use the fastest quad-core processor you could afford. This was due to the large number of users reporting poor LR performance with high-end systems using 6, 8, 10, and 12 core processors.

I thought I had read this somewhere, but could not find the link. So, yes, I am in the "same boat" as you. There is this from about 1 year ago, but I don't really know what it means: Lightroom with i9 or Ryzen CPU? as Adobe likes to be vague on these matters.

In fact, we really have had very little guidance from Adobe with regards to hardware since Eric Chan told us about how the new LR 6 would make use of GPUs, and that's a long time ago in software years.

So I like your new thread to hear from people who have bought computers recently (say in the last year) where they describe their hardware, and their workflow, and if Lightroom runs well or not. The problem with this forum (and most other forums) is that we only hear from users when things are not working. Such a thread (a database, if you will) could be invaluable to others. Most existing threads don't provide enough information on the hardware, and often don't include the workflow, which can also result in very poor performance if lots of brushing and/or lots of spot healing is done. It is my opinion that Lightroom doesn't perform well on 4K or larger monitors if there is a lot of spot healing and/or a lot of brushing, and this is the cause of a lot, but not all, of the performance problems reported; but if anyone has other experiences, please speak up, especially positive experiences.

Agreed, but again there are a large number of users with high-end systems reporting slow scrolling and screen updates when making adjustments in the Develop module. Most of these systems use multiple SSDs, which should eliminate disk transfer-speed from the equation.

I simply am not concerned with disk speed or disk transfer speed causing slowness in the Develop module. I believe that Ian Lyons has put that to rest.

Will an SSD Improve Adobe Lightroom Performance? | Computer Darkroom

I'm looking for input from users who currently run LR on these two "best value" processors with LR 7.5 and the most recent 8.0 versions. It's a shame Adobe doesn't provide input on processor requirements similar to what they provide for GPU. Understandably it would be very bad press from a marketing perspective for Adobe to "officially" recommend using only lower performance processors with LR. So we users can only establish this information based on input from other users reporting here and in other forums.

I agree. Let's hear from users with new computers.