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February 22, 2009
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My top ten criteria for the new forums

  • February 22, 2009
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This is my view on what the new forums should provide. This is what I'll personally be measuring the new forums against when we have a fully testable beta version.

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1 - The new forums should encourage the participation of new members, both to feel encouraged to seek help in the first place, but also to stay and become long-term contributing members of the online community here.

2 - The new forums should alienate the existing users as little as possible, as there's no point in having questions with no answers - though equally there's no point in having answers with no questions. A tricky balance to strike.

3 - Response of the forums should be no worse, and hopefully better, than typical performance here in recent months. If that means beefing up the hardware to accommodate the demands of more graphic-intensive software, so be it.

4 - The forums should look not unlike the majority of typical modern internet forums. This will not be favoured by those familiar with the sparse appearance of the present forums, but incoming new members expect to see something that looks more contemporary and familiar in style, even if there's a modest performance cost.

5 - They should function not unlike the majority of modern internet forums, in terms of the user interface and usable features. If you've got your first problem with Adobe software and you arrive in the Adobe forums for the first time, you don't want then to be confronted with something that looks like another problem and which takes time and effort to understand. The learning curve should be absolutely minimal. There should be a very low turn-away rate (potential users taking one look and backing off before participating or even complaining).

6 - The search function should be state of the art. If you have a good manual for the product software, a good user interface for it, and a good search engine for the knowledgebase and forums, the number of questions needing to be asked should be significantly lower.

7 - To support the regular participants it should be possible to list the discussions which have unread posts in any given member's selected forums, and within those discussions it should be possible to go directly to the unread content without scrolling around to find it. It should then be possible to go to the next unread post in the next unread discussion without first going backwards to the overall list.

8 - NNTP access, though a mystery to me, seems highly valued by some, and providing it does not seem to mess with what the rest of us see (setting aside the quoting problem), so let's have it.

9 - An effective mechanism to enforce the forum rules by restricting access by individuals who persistently break the rules should be provided - and there should be no simple way round it. Failing that, provision of an inbuilt method for users to ignore posts by other specified users is necessary.

10 - There should be a properly functioning list of banned words.

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That's my top ten list of criteria - though in five minutes I'll probably think of some key stuff I have left out.

What's yours?
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    Ramón G Castañeda
    Inspiring
    March 6, 2009
    Some jerks prefer to criticize users in the form of a question, "why do", etc.
    Participating Frequently
    March 6, 2009
    Why do people on Internet forums spend weeks describing how they are going to quit? Why don't they just leave? And why, if they do leave, are they always back a week later? It's an Internet forum, for crying out loud, not the Supreme Court or the House of Lords.

    GAFL!
    March 6, 2009
    OzPeter:

    I do NOT contribute to Forums that go in for Points and Avatars and that includes Apple (where I probably could make myself quite useful if I chose )

    But I don't.

    I use web sites and Forums purely to learn facts, and to gather and share technical information.

    I wish to be able to acquire and absorb that information speedily:

    I expect to be able to see (in one quick glance) which topics (from a visible tightly spaced list of perhaps 70 topics) are new, have additional material or might be of interest;

    I expect a Search engine that can find both Topic Headlines and relevant text within a message; and which works at least as speedily and effectively as Google;

    And I would like to be provided with sufficient space in which to compose postings using a readable type-size.

    Nothing else.

    I don't care what other contributors look like, how often they post, or whether or not they have awarded themselves (and each other!) meaningless titles, decorations or medals of merit!

    I have no desire to waste time in the sort of imbecilic environment that so many of you seem determined to create even in Forums that apparently are supposed to support sophisticated applications used by highly educated Professionals.

    In other words, what i need and expect from a Corporation of Adobe's size and prominence are:

    "The facts, Ma'am and JUST the facts!
    March 6, 2009
    Like I've said before, where the forums elsewhere I participate in have points etc, nobody seems to pay that much attention to them. In one where the points system was eventually scrapped, that too passed with barely a comment.

    Points systems only matter to people to whom they matter, if you see what I mean. If we have it in the new forums, IMHO it will be a novelty for a couple of weeks and then for most people, it'll become a yawn. I'd be very surprised if it had any significant effect on whether most people participated or not - compared to other factors.
    March 6, 2009
    John C:

    Some 14 year to build these Forums into a standard for the entire industry and you are now prepared to throw all that away for what you have just described?

    I can assure you that if you go ahead with these plans to introduce ridiculous and infantile "features" like Points and Avatars I will not be prepared to paddle in your KiddiePool.
    March 6, 2009
    >But any point totals would all be starting from scratch because the system allows other users to give you points instead of just giving out points automatically for posting.

    OR we could (as in you could ;) ) just turn off the whole points thing. i guess that's a corporate decision. please just promise us that you won't let too many guys wearing suits into that meeting! XD
    John_Cornicello_Photo
    Inspiring
    March 6, 2009
    I believe that message counts will come over. But any point totals would all be starting from scratch because the system allows other users to give you points instead of just giving out points automatically for posting.

    Message counts for those who participated only by NNTP on the Macromedia Forums will be starting over from zero because all NNTP users were lumped under one account "NNTP User" there. The same thing doesn't happen here because NNTP users here had to log in with their forum name/password in order to access via NNTP.
    Cindy-
    Known Participant
    March 6, 2009
    > Until then, I will continue to enjoy the "over the top" commentary

    Why don't people stop with these kinds of comments. It is also inflammatory. Have you been in these forums for 10, 15 years? I would think if you had you would feel you had something to say and might jump up and down a few times too.
    March 5, 2009
    oh and there's some guy named jj, or john, or yoko who's answered thousands of questions in the ps win forum as well. i think he should be grandfathered, or mothered, or something. :)
    March 5, 2009
    >I suppose people like Dave, Ann, Ramón and others, who have given 1000s of good answers over the years will have to start as newbies too!

    actually if the UID tie in worked, long time helpers SHOULD be credited with all their posts, no?