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Inspiring
January 18, 2017
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Blackmagic output lag in a UHD comp

  • January 18, 2017
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This has always been an issue. I was half expecting it to be fixed for the latest AE release but of course the devs have been too busy adding pointless 3D renderers rather than actually fixing the huge problems in the playback engine.

In a 25fps UHD comp the preview from the Blackmagic Intensity Pro 4k lags behind the main display by a huge amount, we're talking seconds here, not just frames and it gets worse the longer the preview plays for. No issues at HD and I get realtime playback in UHD with Resolve and Premiere so there's no blame to be put on the BM card, just AEs shocking Mercury Playback engine. This basically means that as of 2017 AE is still incapable of playing back UDH footage to an external monitor. Nice job adobe.

AE 14.0.1.5

Win 10

5930k

64Gb ram

2 x 980ti

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    Correct answer Kevin-Monahan

    Hi Kevin, thank you for your reply. I've spoken with two support agents

    from Adobe about this issue and both suggested that it was not a problem

    with AE but with the Blackmagic card. Unfortunately I don't have case

    numbers for these conversations.

    The source footage has nothing to do with this problem. In face there

    doesn't need to be any footage in the comp. A 10x10 white solid animating

    across screen will still lag. We are talking about playback from a ram

    preview here so footage is a moot point. Playback on the main monitor is

    fine, the issue is with how the mercury playback engine in AE sends the

    image to the Intensity 4k. I have also unsuccessfully tried to use one of

    my 980Tis as the output but again there are serious issues with anything

    above HD. There is still lag and the image doesn't fit the screen

    correctly. I would love to know if anyone has had any success in outputting

    to an external monitor through any device with a comp size above HD.

    I have filed several bug reports and feature requests over the years but

    not once have any of them been acknowledged or actioned so I have given up.

    I have been in touch with Blackmagic since and they have been able to

    replicate the problem at there end. I am hoping that the engineers there

    have a direct line with Adobe and are able to get there heads together and

    figure out what is going on. This was a few weeks ago but I have heard

    nothing since.


    Hey Chris,

    I tracked down your issue and it is an issue we're aware of. I apologize for the problem. We are working with Blackmagic to improve the situation. Thanks again for filing your bug report.

    This experience you're having is, more than likely, a performance limitation of Transmit. When frame sizes start getting into the UHD range, playback to the Transmit monitor can suffer. Since After Effects never drops frames, and Transmit output is asynchronous to After Effects’ internal playback, the slowed-down playback can get out of sync with the main monitor.

    As I understand it, your experience with third party cards like the Intensity might even be less performant than using a high-performance GPUs to drive a second monitor.

    From what the team tells me, this is a bandwidth issue. Performance can suffer by adding larger frame dimensions, higher frame rates, and deeper colors to the playback stream.

    You can mitigate the issue by doing some of the following:

    • Make sure the Hardware Accelerate Composition, Layer, and Footage Panels option in Preferences > Display is enabled, especially if color management is enabled for the project. Disabling color management or setting the working space to Rec 709 can also help.
    • Reduce the comp resolution, either in the Preview panel (i.e., per-preview shortcut) or the comp viewer panel.
    • Enable the Skip option in the Preview panel so that fewer frames are being previewed.
    • Reduce the project color depth.

    It's too bad that I can't come up with a better solution for you at this time. For that, I apologize. If others are facing the issue, be sure to file a bug so that we can make improvements along with Blackmagic.

    Thanks,
    Kevin

    2 replies

    Inspiring
    January 23, 2017

    Nah, exactly the same. I tried running directly out of one of my 980Tis as well. Better but still rubbish. Plays around 4-5fps behind and the image doesn't fill the screen either. Looks like it was outputting at 2560x1440 from the top right corner of the screen and filling the res of the screen with black.

    Szalam
    Community Expert
    January 23, 2017

    Darn. I didn't have much hope in the update for your issue, but there's always a chance.

    Make sure you include the information you just mentioned in the bug report you file (link to the bug report form in my first post).

    Inspiring
    January 23, 2017

    Tried it. Does anybody actually read them? I've also been in touch with tech support twice and Blackmagic tech support. Both companies blame each other.

    Szalam
    Community Expert
    January 20, 2017

    I don't know if this week's update (14.1.0) will help, but it's worth a try.

    If not, please file a bug report (with as much technical information as possible). It will be seen directly by one of the After Effects engineers. They can't fix what they don't know is an issue. There are an infinite number of possible OS/hardware/footage configurations, so it's possible you've found a bug that's unique to a particular setup. That's why I suggest as much detail as possible.