Adobe, Linux Support, and the Linux Foundation.

[gai.ra.III]

While generally I've only lurked the Adobe forums I've finally worked up guts to post this. I also know that about every 1-2 months this question is asked but I think it deserves a another go around.

My premises is this:

Adobe joined the Linux Foundation in 2008 for a focus on Linux for Web 2.0  Applications like Adobe® Flash® Player and Adobe AIR™. Currently Adobe holds a silver membership status with the Linux Foundation. So why in the world do they not have any Creative Cloud Programs available in Linux without the need for WINE and other such workarounds. I think it's a sucky move to support the Linux Foundation and use Linux in the back-end while not doing anything to support actual Linux users who have for at least a decade requested Adobe desktop products on Linux. Sure it's going to take a lot of manpower, financial resources, etc. But to truly support Linux and the Linux Foundation I think it's necessary that y'all do make things like Photoshop and Lightroom available for the Linux desktop. In any regards the wider Linux community would most likely help with testing and debugging programs. We're used to it.

[romulopbene]

I've waiting for a long time, to the day they decide to port their product, If they had a product tomorrow on Linux I would start subscription tomorrow, but it will not happen. Maybe you should stay on Windows if you can't do your work on other tools, but, at last on digital painting, there exist better tools, like Krita, a free one, and many other paid ones that work over wine, like Art Rage... Some time is is just a question of searching. It is perfectly viable, University of Paris 8 ATI department did the move on. If Adobe can't improve, maybe you can.

[lauranl]

I am a web developer and designer. Two years ago I switched to Linux Mint (now I'm using Mint 17.3) and never returned to Windows, except for Adobe software for design. It would be great to actually have the possibility CC suite for Linux. Certainly both Mac and Linux are Unix-based operating systems. Linux is a much more powerful and stable than Windows really.

[mytaxsite]

lauranl wrote:

It would be great to actually have the possibility CC suite for Linux. Certainly both Mac and Linux are Unix-based operating systems. Linux is a much more powerful and stable than Windows really.

I am sure it is great to have CC for all different platforms currently available on this planet but for a business like Adobe to remain competitive in the market place,  somebody has to make the initial investment to set up the department to make these products.  It is not that you get Windows code and hope it will work in Linux or Mac.  People have to be employed who  knows a thing or two about developing products for Linux.  Windows code has to be modified to make it work on Linux.

Also, one has to know who is in charge of a particular platform so that any problems can be addressed by them.  As far as I know Linux has many flavours - Ubuntu, Mint, Debian etc etc.  Although they are one and the same thing in different clothing, somebody should deal with Licensing matters.  CC is not free and will never be.  So how do you control the License so that pirates don't start copying and distributing them online.  They have done in the past in the bad old days when DOS and Windows 3.x ruled the world.  Now we have got Activation and details have to be stored in the machine so that the user can use the product and there should be a control that the same product and serial number can't be used on another machine.  Windows has Registry entries but Linux hasn't got anything like this and nobody is developing anything to make it possible for Commercial developers to start making products.  Microsoft has started developing MSSQL for Linux but it is going to be free so Licensing is not a problem.  Adobe can't do anything like this because Adobe isn't as big as Microsoft.  Corel Linux started making products (in 1999) but they stopped it because it was not profitable.  Linux is a lost cause and people should be happy to use whatever they have got and stop wishing for anything as big as Adobe CC to be on Linux in the near future.  Start using Windows 10 if you want CC or use Linux and whatever products you already have for your wonderful Linux.  Windows should be left to professionals who believe in market economy and enterprise.  Linux should be left to jobless people and academics who can try their various techniques to make it work for them.

[ArtemisDerg]

So just as clarification, you are saying Linux is used by jobless people? Professionals use Linux, because of the development and customization involved with Linux while windows is used by the people who want an easy to use operating system which requires you to know almost nothing about computers and OS backend. Although I do agree on the point that CC for Linux is probably a bad idea considering Linux is based on being free, your point about Linux being useless is not true.

And I am pretty sure all the people in the film industry are jobless, considering this article: Disney Shifting to Linux for Film Animation - NYTimes.com‌

As for the comment about moving to windows 10, you pay money for an operating system that takes away features. My usb microphone as well as every other usb microphone I know of no longer works in windows 10, because the volume is too low. They have not fixed the drivers since way back in 2012 when Windows 8 came out with this bug. Not even built-in microphones are working anymore. I certainly cant  use Windows anymore for audio production, although the mic works perfectly for Linux. Windows is meant to be easy, Windows is meant to be for people who want the OS to work so they can concentrate on the work they want to be doing. There is no denying that Windows is a good operating system, but it is far from "professional".

CC will probably not fit in to Linux, but there is no denying that the "jobless" professionals are moving towards it.

[romulopbene]

Draceon You should not take much seriously all negative considerations here about entering linux market, they are probably not oficial statement, as there exist many serious misconception. Like flavoring dependency, completely not a case as today exist technologies like appimages, the same install approach of Apple that come with all libraries and dependencies embedded, in modern machines drivers are not a pain as in past too. The history about free vs non free is a complete wrong taking, If you're talking about top tear working areas like Hollywood studios, we have excellence tools in 3D, audio and video edition, paid ones like Auto-desk products, Maya, etc. Honestly and lets be honest the most popular platform is what move piracy today, I don't get, even mention of this on linux over many class paid software distributed over both platforms, it is not a Linux platform culture at the moment... An there is many others, non embased appointments of lack of technologies, what makes me think that maybe Auto-desk and many other can only be more competent. There is no sustain on many of those appointments.

[mytaxsite]

Draceon You should not take much seriously all negative considerations here about entering linux market, they are probably not oficial statement,

Are you seriously suggesting that Linux users are not competent enough to know this?

[mytaxsite]

So just as clarification, you are saying Linux is used by jobless people?

I am simply saying that Linux machines are not used in Offices and factories where some serious work is being done like doing the finace work or filing tax returns or sending an email or drafting a leagl document.  Jobless people are not likely to do these things so they don't need a Windows machine on which they can install tax software or Accountancy software or write a mcro for their spreadsheet.  You need an Excel spreadsheet to do some serious Macro writing work.  Linux is just not designed for these things. 

[romulopbene]

mytaxsite.co.uk wrote:

Are you seriously suggesting that Linux users are not competent enough to know this?

     I don't think it is a fact all Linux user would be sure of it. I did not do factual affirmations without absolutely certainty of what I'm talking.

[Guest]

mytaxsite.co.uk‌  -  Linux is not designed for serious work?

"Linux is the most popular operating system among supercomputers due to the general advantages and benefits of free and open-source software, like superior performance, flexibility, speed and lower costs. In November 2008 Linux held an 87.8 percent share of the world's top 500 supercomputers." -Source

According to you these super computers are unable to use Quickbooks web-based accounting software or run open-source accounting programs like Gnucash.

[ArtemisDerg]

You obviously did not read my post where I wrote how the film industry and other companies such as google are beginning to use linux and even prefer it over windows. And I even attached a reliable source, something you have not been able to attach so far.

And as far as a spreadsheet goes, you might as well do that on google documents, its easier to share with others anyways.

If you want to make an argument, then please read other people's posts, because thats exactly what they are saying. Linux is becoming an industry standard. Sure, windows is still popular, but many fields such as the film industry are moving on to Linux. And tbh, you dont purchase creative cloud to make spreadsheets. Is this honestly an argument for if creative cloud should exist on Linux, or which is the better OS? People that work for audio production and video production want fast results which Linux is more likely to give.

You talk a lot about tax software. Since when does taxes have anything to do with adobe creative cloud? This an adobe forum, please talk about adobe products are relatable topics.

And apparently google isnt a company that does serious work, after all, they are using linux among other things.

[mytaxsite]

You obviously did not read my post where I wrote how the film industry and other companies such as google are beginning to use linux and even prefer it over windows. And I even attached a reliable source, something you have not been able to attach so far.

so for a few minority, you want Adobe to spend millions to create software fr them.  Is this so?  Adobe wants to make mega-bucks selling to people who have computers in the bedroom.  They are not interested in few people who are using Linux.  Anyway, why isn't anybody making anything for Linux that you can use?

And as far as a spreadsheet goes, you might as well do that on google documents, its easier to share with others anyways

this is where your Linux intelligence comes here.  Google Docs isn't able to do Industry standard Macros so why waste time on it?

If you want to make an argument, then please read other people's posts

I don't have time to make arguments with Linux people.  There is no money in Linux otherwise you would see good quality software packages on sale for Linux users.  Nobody is prepared to waste time on Linux Jobless  unwashed people.  There is no money in Linux.

why don't you approach Ubuntu owners to start their own project to satisfy your needs?  It makes more sense if you put up millions upfront to make the project viable so that should it fail, you lose your own money Not Adobe's money.  Adobe has been doing business since the eighties and so they know better what makes money and what doesn't.  Linux is one project they are not interested in.  So this is a very good chance for somebody to get in before Microsoft gets in and capitalizes on it.  Microsoft has started work on MSSQL and it is out next year.  ASP.NET and C# are already on Linux so that is something Microsoft might capitalize on.  What more do you want?  Are you saying you don't want anything to do with Microsoft?

[mytaxsite]

According to you these super computers are unable to use Quickbooks web-based accounting software or run open-source accounting programs like Gnucash

GNUCASH is good Accounting software!! Is this what a Linux user uses?  No wonder they don't have he concept of business in their thinking.

"Linux is the most popular operating system among supercomputers

this is the most sensible thing you have said.  I should perhaps invest millions in this so called SuperComputer to run 100 bucks Adobe software!  Very good idea.  Just for interest sake do you own one of these? If not why not?  you are a serious Linux user, are you not?  Windows is not good for you.  You do need one these superComputers.

Frankly, you guys should do something more worth while than worrying about Adobe software packages for Linux.  It is not going to happen in your lifetime.

Linux users are confirming what I have always believed.

[ArtemisDerg]

I don't have time to make arguments with Linux people.  There is no money in Linux otherwise you would see good quality software packages on sale for Linux users.  Nobody is prepared to waste time on Linux Jobless  unwashed people.  There is no money in Linux.

Then honestly, what are you even trying to do on this thread? Market windows? Congratulations you just called millions of people unwashed and jobless, good job.

So this is a very good chance for somebody to get in before Microsoft gets in and capitalizes on it.  Microsoft has started work on MSSQL and it is out next year.  ASP.NET and C# are already on Linux so that is something Microsoft might capitalize on.  What more do you want?  Are you saying you don't want anything to do with Microsoft?

Proof of concept. You dont listen, to like anything that is said. You have repeated yourself over and over and over. We get your point.

[Guest]

Gnucash may be good for small business but I did mention Quickbooks online as an option for more "serious" accounting work. Nothing could be better than using mytaxsite.co.uk though which asks for "handsome" donations to keep the for-profit site running.

Frankly, you guys should do something more worth while than worrying about Adobe software packages for Linux.  It is not going to happen in your lifetime.

In case you missed my previous post...

Linux is becoming more attractive to the general population and as Android has smashed IOS because it is open source (and Linux based), given time Linux will do the same with non-open source desktop operating systems. While some Adobe products are great it seems they do have an affinity to Microsoft and Macintosh and they are afraid of the open source future before us.

That being said I would encourage everyone who loves Linux to get behind the Blender project. I have made high quality commercial videos using nothing but Blender. They have already developed a wide range of professional tools including photo realistic 3D graphics modelling, camera tracking, video compositing, special effects and a game engine. This is the future Adobe is trying to suppress, or at least delay. Instead of pledging to drop money on Adobe as soon as they provide Linux compatible products we should deep-six Adobe by dropping money on the development of open-source software which is already on the brink of eclipsing Adobe. If open source software development received funding equivalent to one tenth of 1% of Adobe's revenue (see page 60), Adobe would be gone.

Maybe switching to Blender could help you avoid having to ask for donations on your business website. Are you sure it's Linux users that...

don't have he concept of business in their thinking.

[romulopbene]

It is becoming inevitable... I believe many companies can learn today with Microsoft:

Run Bash on Ubuntu on Windows | Building Apps for Windows

The only conclusion I can take is, this porting will need to start soon or later, and for sure it will be better doing it before it turns a problem or even a necessity.
Free OSes are a opportunity, not a "dictatorship of free". their users need paid services and products as everyone.

[Guest]

Microsoft is trying to prevent the inevitable. The hope is that they can offer the superior productivity of the Linux environment to users that are tempted to ditch Windows. Likely though, they are doing nothing more that making Windows users acquainted with the Linux environment which, in turn, should make the switch even more tempting.

It seems they don't have the same stranglehold on HP and Dell as they do on Adobe...

http://www8.hp.com/us/en/campaigns/ubuntu/index.html

http://www.dell.com/learn/us/en/555/campaigns/xps-linux-laptop?c=us&l=en&s=biz

The real game changer comes when Dell and other PC makers offer Ubuntu as an OS alternative for all of their PCs for a discount. But for now, having the option of buying a laptop with Ubuntu factory installed is creating a paradigm shift for Windows.

[dainiswmichel]

i'd move my CC subscription to linux if that option became available.

[lollypoes]

Dang it adobe, you are making my life near to hell. The lack of a compelling linux video editor, is making me stay on windows. Now 7 years ago a petition was started, are you still following me? yeah, lets go to 5 years ago, someone of your staff replied:

"

At this point, I ask that people no longer send in their requests about adding support for Linux using the submission forms.

The request is now most definitely on the radar of our engineering teams, so it can be considered for future development.

" so what you are doing there is saying, yeah we probably will add it, just stop annoying us and shut the f*ck up. Ok, lets fast forward some years to now. 2016: adobe cc is still not available for Linux. JUST GROW UP AND ADD SUPPORT. Yeah, I like Linux as its just cleaner and opensource etc. I could live with OS X its just that their $hit is overpriced. Yeah you got me here, there are an awful lot of people who want it, even more who would like it but don't really care, and probably even more people who have not switched simply due to you? Who do you think you are to have this right? Please, see the potential, see the people who just like Linux, not because of its free price, but because its elegant. COME ON PLEASE.

I would like to apologize for this slightly impolite response, but its the hard trough. PLEASE

[ShawnMcCool]

I hate to say this. But, Adobe receives massive kickbacks from Apple and this is just not likely to happen. Apple is seriously screwing up the computing ecosystem and I wish that we could just get past the era of these huge companies and their entirely unconfigurable environments.

[usr0]

I used to run AutoCAD on a Sun in SunOS and Solaris for a national lab. Before that, PDP 11 in a basement at Moffet Field. I thought Windows was just a fad. So, I've been wrong before. My main squeez is CAELinux on a POS Desktop (Acer doesn't deserve mention). It dual boots with "10". Which is better than 8.1. I've got CC on 10 and Win 7 on a laptop. Rarely, do we awaken 10. The Win 7 is a laptop I stick in a backpack. At home, there hooked and can be run from one solar powered KB and BT mouse with Synergy (recommended).

If you've never tried CAELinux. You're missing out. It comes with everything scientific. Salome is a great 3d modeler and FreeCAD is great on any system. InkScape has come in handy when, either I forget, or can't do something in AI. Same goes for Gimp. Especially masking. Blender is King/Queen. OneShot's not bad. Sometimes it takes several tools to pull off an idea.

All these vendors/manufacturers have irritated me from time to time. Then, again, I pulled off some pretty good stuff.

You should see what I can do with whiteout and a copier.

Still, it would be nice if CC and company were ported to nix. I can't pull it off. No time.

Peace,

gdp

[tony_lawton_design]

I'm all for Adobe going to Linux and like many here have been pushing it for years. For me, it is also the last thing that is holding me to Windows. That being said, I think we have our answer. I have a feeling that Microsoft is well aware that there are hordes of professionals who are ready to abandon ship as soon as Creative Cloud is available on Linux, and that there are probably some arrangements between Microsoft and Adobe to prevent that from happening. It's likely that Adobe will go where the money is, and for Adobe to give up whatever incentives that Microsoft (and possibly Apple also)  is offering to not develop on another platform, would require that everyone who is holding onto Windows (like myself) to give up our subscriptions to show that we mean business. Unfortunately for almost all of us, they know we can't afford to do that because our livelihood depends on their software, so here we are with no leverage and not much to do about it except perhaps start a kickstarter or something for an open-source equivalent that is equally as credible in our professions.

Yeah, we all know that there are free alternatives to photoshop and illustrator out there, and they know it too... we both also know why we'd rather pay $50 a month to use adobe also, because the free alternatives just don't cut it yet. Long story short, as much as I really really (like a lot) hope Adobe breaks into Linux, I think we all know it probably isn't going to happen any time soon.

[Guest]

Take our monthly CC fees and put them towards Ubuntu support please!  I too would love CC for Ubuntu there are only a couple critical apps that are holding me back from eliminating Windows and you are one of them. Adobe for Linux support across the board is pretty shabby, please add some problem solvers for us.

[lollypoes]

So something new has been released adobe, its called Flatpak, its this awesome new secure way to deploy applications to linux, so if security is your thing, check it out. BUT JUST GIVE US LINUX SUPPORT, come on, how long do we still have to suffer this microsoft crap or pay waay to much for apple $hit? Flatpak - the future of application distribution

[jasonjpeters]

I have been impatiently waiting for linux support as well.

How many people need to request this before some momentum starts to happen?

[mytaxsite]

jasonjpeters wrote:

I have been impatiently waiting for linux support as well.

How many people need to request this before some momentum starts to happen?

You may not have read the previous 468 posts but Linux project is a non-starter because nobody from the Linux community is prepared to invest in Linux R&D project.  You should be asking Ubuntu, Mint or who ever is supplying you the Linux Operating system to  invest in application development.  Microsoft built their business like that.  they started writing their own applications and when they didn't have the man power, they out sourced that part to third parties.  So Now Microsoft is the dominant force and perhaps Linux people should come together do something similar.

It has nothing to do with number of people asking for it;  Money is the critical variable and provided you can contribute £5 million to start the project then Adobe can think about it.  Adobe is running a business and so decisions are made on how much profits they can make.

Does this answer your question?