Adobe, Linux Support, and the Linux Foundation.

[gai.ra.III]

While generally I've only lurked the Adobe forums I've finally worked up guts to post this. I also know that about every 1-2 months this question is asked but I think it deserves a another go around.

My premises is this:

Adobe joined the Linux Foundation in 2008 for a focus on Linux for Web 2.0  Applications like Adobe® Flash® Player and Adobe AIR™. Currently Adobe holds a silver membership status with the Linux Foundation. So why in the world do they not have any Creative Cloud Programs available in Linux without the need for WINE and other such workarounds. I think it's a sucky move to support the Linux Foundation and use Linux in the back-end while not doing anything to support actual Linux users who have for at least a decade requested Adobe desktop products on Linux. Sure it's going to take a lot of manpower, financial resources, etc. But to truly support Linux and the Linux Foundation I think it's necessary that y'all do make things like Photoshop and Lightroom available for the Linux desktop. In any regards the wider Linux community would most likely help with testing and debugging programs. We're used to it.

[vanessaf87227273]

For several years thousands of users have been asking Adobe, but Adobe does not care about its customers. So many are stuck on Windows, Mac or virtualization.

Please Adobe, a lot of customers have a very bad experience with your products (virtualized or double boot) because you refuse to wear them on Linux.

15 years for me. As and when, I find alternatives to Adobe products

[Kizzume]

Yeah, Adobe products are the only thing that keeps me using Windows.  I don't have my system set to dual-boot to do different things, it's just too cumbersome.  With Microsoft's new policies regarding what can be done on their services, including penalties for swearing, and with them essentially trying to abandon the Desktop in favor of UWP, I'm not exactly happy using Windows anymore.  I had a slightly-glitchy Hackintosh set up for a while, but that was before I upgraded my video card--I can't get full support for my video card with a Hackintosh.

So yeah, it would be wonderful if CC was available for Linux.

Seriously, Adobe, I hear people say it all the time online--YOUR software is the only thing keeping a whole ton of people using Windows.  You are the key.  I don't know if you have some sort of special relationship with Microsoft and Apple, but it'd be great if you opened up.

Thanks.

[kev.lee.wright]

The good news here is that - for video work at least - there is an alternative on the market that is available for Linux, and in many ways is better than PPro - with far fewer bugs and performance issues.  It also has a free version available and doesn't tie you to a subscription.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you.... DaVinci Resolve:

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/uk/products/davinciresolve/

As a Photoshop/Illustrator alternative, I recommend campaigning Serif to port Affinity Photo and Designer.  I suspect that they'd be far easier to sway.

[keithj90018946]

Here is some helpful information about linux alternatives to Adobe products.

https://itsfoss.com/adobe-alternatives-linux/

[JCF-MCC]

I'd like to see this, too.

Come 2019, we are starting to migrate to RHEL from Windows 10 where I work, so we are going away from Windows with or without Creative Cloud.  I'd really like to keep Creative Cloud, but we'll do what we have to do.

[thedonquixotic]

mytaxsite.co.uk  wrote

Phopojijo wrote:

They're not asking for "no-cost Creative Cloud on Linux". They (and I) want to pay the same subscription rates as everyone else, just use it on a free (as in both beer and, the progressively more important, speech) operating system.

There is no justification to create a department to develop Linux Applications because Nix boxes are mostly used by hobbyists and academics.  Adobe is making products for businesses.  Mind should boggle if Adobe, Microsoft and Apple starts developing products for Linux boxes because that is the first step for harakiri for senior executives.

HAHAHAHAHA!

I logged in just to comment on this. The irony of this comment now in retrospect. The biggest contributor to open source and Linux these days? Microsoft. Windows now has a built in subsystem layer for Linux that's nearly 100% there except for some kernel stuff and gui applications.

Nix machines are the number one most popular OS for developers. And designers are becoming more and more like devs. I'm a designer, but I spend most of my time in code now.

Adobe is the only thing left I need to switch to Windows.

Adobe. DO IT. Stop futzing around.

[Was DYP]

Just be thankful Adobe does make a version that runs on Unix. If you want to avoid Windows why not use that?

[johansebamuel]

Adobe does not make a version that runs on Unix, unless you're talking about the Mac version - but that's a little beside the point isn't it? 

[Ahmedk218]

yes i hope adobe work on Linux too,  it will give us PC users  the choice between  2 OS

because   some of designers  who use  adobe also know  some   programing

for my self   i use  dual  boot for windows   and    linux.   90%of the time on   windows  99% because i need   adobe products

bottom    line adobe on  linux  will give us   more options 

[Abambo]

Linux is still a niche player and all efforts of Adobe porting their software to Linux or Unix in general failed commercially until now. I do not think that Adobe will venture any port of CC until Linux reaches a critical maass in the creative world. But I’m sure that internally, they have a team working on Linux and great software. As supercomputers are running (mostly) Linux, I’m sure that some of Adobes internal code is running on such machines.

[novelias43725700]

Just our feelings - simple we are getting tired of begging and waiting for Linux version

Probably we will cancel our CC soon due to two simple reasons ...

A. No Linux version - at this moment we are using virtual computers (W7 + CC installed) as a backup plan, but frankly we are using them less and less ...

B. Gravit Designer (finally Fireworks alternative) + Pinegrow + Davinci Resolve + Darktable are starting be to good enough for what we need

And no, we don´t really want to use macs anymore.

[Abambo]

As I can not speak for Adobe nor have I insight into secret Adobe plans, I doubt (and that for several reasons) that there will be a Linux version of the Adobe products. For this to happen there need to be a wider desktop user population.

If you have replacement tools go ahead and change.

[Islirobi313]

This may be the real answear https://www.photopea.com/

very similar to photoshop ,also includes svg and its on browser ,you don't have to install it .

The best part is free

[failxontour]

Steam has added a modified compability layer of WINE for all of their games on their platform. And is releasing it now over github / Steam Beta for Linux it's called proton. I think Linux already covers a big chunk of the ever growing PC market, and Adobe Products would only increase the market share on this platform. A big chunk of MacOS users only use it because it's called a working OS because games are mainly not supported on it and it features a great UI / UX experince which gets transported straight into Adobe Products as well. I think Linux could also be such a potential platform. Also just looking into statista reveals a 1,48% market share for Linux systems in germany only I don't think that's a small amount of people.

[Abambo]

Linux serves a niche market. Not the desktoo one.

[failxontour]

Can i may ask for where you get your statistics from?

[filmographie]

That's a good point - is Adobe focused on the average desktop web surfer or the professional graphic artists? Niche market share will be far different from general stats.

It is significant that Nuke and Fusion made an effort to run on Linux because the big animation houses have always preferred deploying customized Linux workstations to large groups of users for projects. Simplifies licensing issues...

[linus1969]

Adobe is likely being corrupt. Business development @ Adobe knows they would sell more than enough licenses to pay for the additional engineering resources required to supporting Linux. Furthermore, it would save lots of money for various creative professionals. Apple is likely in some agreement with them so they can keep gouging customers on slow & old hardware while Adobe continues to give them special treatment. Adobe you are suckers! You're not actually getting special treatment from Apple - just look at how much faster FCX is than your software on OSX... And ask your engineers how much faster Adobe stuff could be made to run on a Creative Suite-optimized Linux distro!

Shame on you all.

[hameda73869310]

don't blame the adobe

just go and support alternatives!!!

GIMP and Inkscape are some kinds of good software but they have a very slow development pace since they don't have enough money to hire more developers. you may pay 10-50 bucks for Adobe products per month. what about donating only 10 bucks per YEAR to GIMP?? if we the COMMUNITY do such thing you would see that they will catch adobe software soon

[Hanro50]

I know a bit of programming. Maybe I should do that. Maybe you're right; I don't use adobe, but this level of corporate stupidity is past the point of being acceptable.

To Adobe:

I find it incredible how a company like Adobe still supports two platforms who're both eyeing to stab them in the back. Microsoft is locking down their system meaning you're going to have a 30% cut in your profits when Windows store becomes your only software distribution method on Windows.

In the same breath Apple is deprecating openGL; supporting Linux can't be more expensive then the rewrite all your products are going to need to stay competitive on newer Mac OSX versions. With the way Apple and their ecosystem is going I wouldn't be surprised if they created their own image editing app just to ensure people stick to their products.

Look at Valve. Their steam client is only officially supported on Ubuntu; but the Linux community has happily ported their steam storefront to nearly every consumer grade distribution under the sun.

Speaking of Valve if you where very Lazy, then do this. Go to Valve's github page for proton. Essentially it a compatibility layer for running Windows apps on Linux. Fork it, port a store application to Linux and just run your whole creative sweet thru it.

You're done; you've got a Linux package; a sort of drm to prevent pirating and virtually no further development time needed except for keeping that store app up to date...

[Abambo]

hanro50  wrote

I know a bit of programming. Maybe I should do that.

Great, I'm waiting...

Microsoft is locking down their system meaning you're going to have a 30% cut in your profits when Windows store becomes your only software distribution method on Windows.

That won't happen!

With the way Apple and their ecosystem is going I wouldn't be surprised if they created their own image editing app just to ensure people stick to their products.

Apple has their own video editing system. They where that successful with that, that Adobe stopped temporarily the development on Premiere. Now Adobe is back with Premiere and very successful.

Go to Valve's github page for proton.

Who bought github?

[Hanro50]

The Linux community has had a history of writing programs for itself. They already have a good stand in for premiere called Kdenlive. All it takes is a small group of angry programmers...

MS has essentially a Monopoly; they can do whatever they damn please and nobody would be able to stop them. Why do you think they're pushing people to go towards Windows 10 so much that they essentially forced some users to upgrade? Why do you think they're going to start pushing a policy for Windows 7 users to start paying a monthly fee for continued support...

Never say never.

Apple has also had a little run in with stifling competition. Their apps might be worse, but again they control their respected platform. If MS pulls something like locking down Windows successfully then don't think for a second Apple isn't going to be far behind.

MS bought Github, but that's not the same as owning everything hosted on it. It would be like Apple or Google owning every app posted to their respected stores. Not impossible, but definitely crossing some legal boundaries...

[Roman Pleten]

It's a vicious circle. People doesn't use linux because there is no Adobe CC. Adobe doesn't make a linux version of Creative Cloud because there is not enough linux users for them.

[msdobrescu]

This is exactly what I wrote on some other forums for similar commercial software.

[PP_01]

So, is there any official message from Adobe?

The only thing that I cannot use on Linux is Creative Cloud.

Do you know other companies like Adobe, running their software on Linux?