Subscription Costs

[Orchids-World]

When I subscribed Dreamweaver a year ago, the subscription was around $22.00, it increased to around $26.00 and now gain it is going to increase to over $28.00. For me, with exchange rates added, it will cost over $30.00 every month.

That sounds good if you use Dreamweaver every day, but I only use the application for about 20 minutes a month. Taking into account that I am just a pensioner with no regular income other then my pension and my website "Orchids-World.com" is Non Profit Site, I believe it is a bit too much.

I could use another similar program; however, I am using Dreamweaver for over 15 years and I am used to it. Maybe I maintain bad habits of yesteryear, but I think Adobe could easily effort to maintain a reasonable price for aged people like myself. It is sad to think, that due to lack of options, I have no choice but to look for alternatives.

It is sad.

George

[rayek.elfin]

osgood_  wrote

should be getting a new mac sometime this year so I'll wait a bit and continue to explore Netbeans a bit more as I do like it. Doesn't seem to have an option to get rid of the smart-indents in the code which I find annoying as I don't like indented code much.

Netbeans feels more professional to me. I like the UI, its Mac friendly and 7.2 is reminiscent of the older editors UI/coding environment which I prefer. I suspect v8 has introduce options for Dark UIs, which although I've tried I can never seem to get along with and always switch back to the lighter UIs and editor environment.

To turn off or control smart-indents, you have two options in NetBeans: either use an .editorConfig file in your project (preferred, because it is project-dependent, and is git/team compatible), or change the editor settings.

1. create a .editorConfig file in the root of your project. Set the indent size for all files or just html to 0. See EditorConfig for more info. Plugin for NetBeans here:
   Releases · welovecoding/editorconfig-netbeans · GitHub
2. Tools-->Options-->Editor-->Formatting. Select a specific language, or all languages. Then change the indentation number to 0.

Almost anything can be adjusted to individual preference.

NetBeans V8 introduced a dark theme that must be installed first. The default theme is a light one. And obviously a number of other themes are available online.

Anyway, I feel like I am trying to sell NetBeans here 🙂 All code editors have their pros and cons. I just happen to love coding in NetBeans. I started out in Notepad, then switched to DreamWeaver 1, and after the first Adobe version decided it was time to call it a day, and look for something more powerful (doing a lot of DB PHP stuff at the time) and up-to-date. Tried Komodo Edit Pro for a while, then Aptane, Eclipse, etc. Then found NetBeans, and it just clicked for me. And, as mentioned before, I also use Atom (mostly during html/css classes I teach and for Markdown documentation writing), and Notepad++ for quick edits and text viewing. In 2017 I integrated Pinegrow in my workflow as well.

[W_J_T]

Curious, what changed so drastically with Netbeans going from 62MB in version 7.4 up to 142MB for version 8.2 regarding the HTML5/JavaScript version?

Now with all this talk I am gonna have to install it. 😉

[rayek.elfin]

I noticed the same increase in download size the first time I installed v8.2. I think it was caused by the rather dramatic updated and improved support for various PHP and other web frameworks.  In v8.1 and v8.2 the largest file increase is seen. Php7 was introduced, and the new framework support must have been the culprits.

Btw, version 9 is still under development. It's been a while since the v8.2 release, and it seems it has to do with the transition to JDK9 - it's a massive undertaking from what I have read. With a bit of luck it should be released later this year.

[B i r n o u]

you convince me to get back to NetBeans... so as I was running a very old... very old... build, I uninstall it and reinstall the last 8.2.

I face a dummy trouble and didn't find any information on web... well I just did a surface search... but I wasn't able to create a new project from an already existing project.

where did I missed a step...

thnaks for your attention

[rayek.elfin]

File-->New Project

Then, depending on whether you have a PHP or static HTML/JS project, select either PHP Application with Existing Sources or HTML5/JS Application with Existing Sources.

NetBeans may use its own built-in web server to preview pages - to change this, right-mouse click a project in the Projects outliner, and open the project properties. Open the Run category, and change the Web Server setting, and add the web root.

@osgood_ Strange, I got it to work when I tested it yesterday. You may have to restart the editor.

[B i r n o u]

thanks rayek.elfin... ... that's what I did, but the folder already exist and full of content... so when I try to declare it as a NetBean project... net bean inform that the folder is al ready here and complete...

[B i r n o u]

then if I use a project name, NB creates a folder of the same name in the existing project folder ???? I must miss something somewhere

[rayek.elfin]

If you have an option to input a project name, you are in the wrong category. You must create a new project from EXISTING SOURCES - in that case only the site root should be picked.

[B i r n o u]

yes that must be this option, that I'm looking for but I didn't find it... from which menu...???

[osgood_]

https://forums.adobe.com/people/B+i+r+n+o+u  wrote

then if I use a project name, NB creates a folder of the same name in the existing project folder ???? I must miss something somewhere

Name the new project with the same name as you have given the folder in your local web server folder, Net Beans will fill in the path to it automatically

File>New Project>PHP Application>Next>Project Name>Next>Run Configuration>Finish

Net beans wont, or shoudnt create  a new folder it will just use the existing one. That's how it works in 7.2 anyway

[B i r n o u]

nope, NB creates a second folder beside the existing one...

[osgood_]

Try creating a php application project and see what happens.

I dont have the option to create a HTML/JS application in 7.2 so cant test that workflow

7.2 version, which lm using, only seems to create a project location path pointing to the local testing server environment. I havent yet discovered how to point it to a project folder outside of that as l dont seem to be able to edit the location path field

One other slight annoyance l have discovered is Net beans is not great at file management out of the box. Whilst you can drag and drop a file into another folder in the file tree panel it doesnt update the links..........humm. DW and Php storm will do that so l was just wondering how the pros who use net beans update the links in a file that has moved to another location..........lm assuming by some complex helper file workflow?

[B i r n o u]

Well as rayek.elfin point at... I've missed to select "existing project"... so now that iI did it... it works like a charm

[osgood_]

I can only conclude that this procedure was changed/improved in v8. I dont even have an existing project option that l can see in my version.

[osgood_]

Sorry for this outburst but is everyone as dumb as ***K!! these days or is it that everything doesnt actually work how one would expect it to work!!.

How difficult is it to open an existing project in Netbean 7.2? WTF.......

I go to 'open project' choose the project folder from the desktop and it wants to create a folder within the project folder.......WTF. I can't see an 'open existing project' option.  I don't have any of the options as post 100 describes above.

The only way I seem to be able to do it is by dragging the existing project folder onto the open editor window which then does open up the folder with all the files inside it but once you close Netbeans if forgets the last project open, because there is no project............Unless I'm doing something wrong what kind of ridiculous shite is that and why would anyone want to create a flipping new project folder within an existing project folder.

Most of these programs are a pile of crap in a lot of instances where you would expect them to be user friendly........

So if anyone can walk me through step by step how to create a project in Netbean 7.2 from and existing one that would be great - just for my own sanity and to know it can be done.....not that I really need it!

I can create a new php project from an exiting one without any issues but if the existing folder is oustside of the testing server environment in this case MAMP, for instance, it only seems to want to create a new folder in the exitsing folder.....hummm!

[B i r n o u]

don't you have this dialog

01.14.2018-15.41.21

[osgood_]

https://forums.adobe.com/people/B+i+r+n+o+u  wrote

don't you have this dialog

01.14.2018-15.41.21

No, that's what  was confusing me and throwing me well off the scent.....a simple oversight like that.

I have now found out how to do it after much frustration. I do have an option which says 'PHP Application from existing sources' but I was ignoring that as the existing project only has html files in it for simple html/js testing purposes. Once I chose 'PHP Application from exsiting sources' and selected the folder I got some action.

Why the heck does it NOT have as an optional default:

'HTML5/JS Application from existing sources' listed!!, as your image shows.

Why have an 'Open Project ' option  listed under 'file' which quite clearly does F all if you choose a folder which is outside of the MAMP environment. OK it can be there but at least give the user some clear guidance as to why nothing happens.

That's a mark down in my book for being so ignorant apart from that and the obvious lack of file managment I'm quite liking Netbeans, at the moment.

Anyway my anxiety levels have receded now and thanks for a least taking the time to respond and help. I'm sure if I had v8 as you do and I could quite clearly see 'HTML5/JS Application from existing sources' listed I would have sorted it out way before now.......humm

I need to code not spent time working out how a program should intuitively do something.

[rayek.elfin]

Depending on the edition of NetBeans you may not see those entries listed in the new project dialog: the html/php versions do, however.

Yeah, no automatic broken link fixing or sensing in NetBeans, I know. There used to be a link checker plugin, but that only works in very old v6 versions 😞

No editor has it all, it seems.

[osgood_]

rayek.elfin  wrote

Depending on the edition of NetBeans you may not see those entries listed in the new project dialog: the html/php versions do, however.

It doesnt make it clear on the download page, for Mac, anyway what's included in the package. I just went for the php package version as it did'nt even mention anything about html, although I obviously assumed html was included but no mention of html project set up in the dialog box so its  a bit misleading really.

rayek.elfin  wrote

No editor has it all, it seems.

I'm becoming used to that. Netbeans so far I like, although I've not used it extensively this time around. It seems faster to load than php storm and it works almost identically. I think the error reporting is better as it seems ito find the errors in a php/html/js combination page as you would use in production where as php storm seems a bit hit and miss.

I like both, so I'll probably switch between the 2 along with others. I like to keep it fresh and tend to seek out new editors to try out every few month, drop the ones I have been using and come back to those after a few months.

[rayek.elfin]

osgood_ wrote

rayek.elfin  wrote

Depending on the edition of NetBeans you may not see those entries listed in the new project dialog: the html/php versions do, however.

It doesnt make it clear on the download page, for Mac, anyway what's included in the package. I just went for the php package version as it did'nt even mention anything about html, although I obviously assumed html was included but no mention of html project set up in the dialog box so its  a bit misleading really.

Still odd, because the php and html versions are identical, as far as I am aware. But I might be wrong.

[osgood_]

rayek.elfin  wrote

osgood_  wrote

rayek.elfin   wrote

Depending on the edition of NetBeans you may not see those entries listed in the new project dialog: the html/php versions do, however.

It doesnt make it clear on the download page, for Mac, anyway what's included in the package. I just went for the php package version as it did'nt even mention anything about html, although I obviously assumed html was included but no mention of html project set up in the dialog box so its  a bit misleading really.

Still odd, because the php and html versions are identical, as far as I am aware. But I might be wrong.

Maybe its something they added as an option in v8 because it was confusing others about how to open an existing html project. I havent done a lot of research on it.

Weirdly enough there is a video on the Netbeans youtube channel about hidden gems inside Netbeans that not many people know about, so it claims - the snippets panel - I found that almost straight away, which I thought was funny, since you took your time to find it, so are they right or wrong.

[BenPleysier]

l was just wondering how the pros who use net beans update the links in a file that has moved to another location

They use DW for that

[osgood_]

BenPleysier  wrote

l was just wondering how the pros who use net beans update the links in a file that has moved to another location

They use DW for that

Thats why l dont knock DW as much as l could because in the bigger picture it has advantages that other editors do not have out of the box . All l can assume is they dont outweigh what other editors have to offer otherswise more pros would be using it.

Having said that in my personal opinion an editor should have the ability to allow you to drag and drop files in the file tree AND be intelligent enough to know whats happened and ask if you want the links to be updated.................that excludes Sublime, Atom, Brackets,  VC code, Coda..........and seemingly Netbeans, includes most really. Its baffling to me that a desirable and often used workflow is overlooked by the developers of such product.

[osgood_]

rayek.elfin  wrote

@osgood_ Strange, I got it to work when I tested it yesterday. You may have to restart the editor.

My version keeps defaulting back to 1. The only box I can put zero in is 'Right-Margin'

Maybe it was fixed in v8+. A lot of developers were moaning about the code indenting when I went looking for information about how to turn off auto-indent code.

[osgood_]

rayek.elfin  wrote

To turn off or control smart-indents, you have two options in NetBeans: either use an .editorConfig file in your project (preferred, because it is project-dependent, and is git/team compatible), or change the editor settings.

1. create a .editorConfig file in the root of your project. Set the indent size for all files or just html to 0. See EditorConfig for more info. Plugin for NetBeans here:
   Releases · welovecoding/editorconfig-netbeans · GitHub
2. Tools-->Options-->Editor-->Formatting. Select a specific language, or all languages. Then change the indentation number to 0.

Unfortuanately option 2, which I had tried doesn't work, it keeps defaulting back to 1 instead of zero. So it indents obviously 1 space which is not as bad as the default setting of something like 4 but I like all my code flush left.

If I backspace to align it flush left with the code above it then it seams to follow the pattern I want but its a bit tedious having to keep backspacing once I move onto another 'section' of the code.