Substitute for Dreamweaver

[Solar_Gary]

Hi,

This may seem like a strange question, but I'd like to know if there is a reasonable substitute for Dreamweaver out there.

I started my site around 2005 on Microsoft Frontpage, and to be honest for my modest needs, FrontPage was a really good fit.  But, then it was phased out for what ever they called the follow on version of Frontpage, and I converted over to that.  Then it was dropped.

At that point I'd had about enough converting the whole website over to something to new, so I bought a copy of DreamWeaver, which seemed to be the most stable product going.  Took a while to do the conversion, but got through it.  Meanwhile the site kept growing -- now over 1000 html pages (www.builditsolar.com).

Then Adobe switched over to the subscription model.

In the meantime my site is less active, and the only use I am really getting out of DreamWeaver now is some occasional updates and a new page once in a while.  The $240 a year seems excessive for my current usage and I'd like to find something that I cold maintain the DreamWeaver created site with that would not have a steep learning curve.  But, It feels like I'm pretty embedded in DreamWeaver with the templates etc. -- I can't do individual conversions to over a thousand pages.

I'm an engineer who would just like an easy to use tool to get some ideas out there for people who want to build solar projects -- have less than zero interest in writing html or other code.  The more it looks like a wordprocessor the happier I am.  But, it needs to be something that will accept the current DreamWeaver created site without tons of conversion work.

Any ideas on software I might try?

I understand DreamWeaver is a terrific product for those who need and use its many features.

Thanks -- Gary

[osgood_]

There is no extra lines of code created in the css file over and above what would be created using sass, less or autoprefixer. The method Coda uses simply expands the prefixes once you type display flex and hit return directly within the css file, simply and easy for those developers that have no wish to use external sources to perform such a simple operation.

I cant remember which editors have something built in automation for prefixing maybe atom or sublime but you have to choose each block of css code and then choose the option to prefix from a drop menu. Somewhere in the back of my mind l think Brackets will automate the task with the aid of a plugin but since l have not used it in a while l cant remember the exact workflow.

As for postcss l thought my dreams had come true when l used php storm as they have various postcss plugins but not one for prefixing!

[W_J_T]

Thanks for giving us a teaser Teodor.

It really looks compelling as an app, congratulations. More options and apps pushing each other is always a welcome scenario for users and benefits the industry. I would certainly be interested if there is perpetual license and the price is right. I'm looking forward to seeing and knowing more. I assume the Blog post is yet to come with more information?

Would the Properties Tab in Wappler be compared to the Pinegrow 4 CSS Visual Editor? It however reminds me more of the CSS Prop Tab in Pinegrow 2.

Again, I look forward to see and know more about Wappler, looks interesting.

[EbaySeller]

It should be converted to a dynamically driven site (PHP/MySQL)

Keep in mind that converting your static Dreamweaver website to a Wordpress website will require exactly what you did not want, which is "tons of conversion work". Although you can install wordpress on a server with little ease; it will take a painful amount of time to convert your static pages to dynamic content in Wordpress. There is a lot of copy/paste required to move all your 1000 static pages to 1000 wordpress pages - or any other dynamically driven site for that matter.

[B i r n o u]

so does wappler is an alternative which can eventually replace Dreamweaver and not complete it ?

[Teodor K]

Yes, that is right.

We continue to support Dreamweaver with our extensions as well

[B i r n o u]

thanks for clarification...

[Brad Lawryk]

https://forums.adobe.com/people/B+i+r+n+o+u  wrote

so does wappler is an alternative which can eventually replace Dreamweaver and not complete it ?

Wappler will do more than 'replace Dreamweaver'. There is so much more to it in a very clean interface and it works lightning fast. Many of us in the Private Beta are still waiting on pricing structures, but I would drop Dreamweaver after 20 years of using it since pre-release of version 1.0 in 1997 and switch to Wappler in a heartbeat. Would be a very easy choice to make if Wappler continues on the path it is on.

[B i r n o u]

thanks Brad for such informations.. in fact my original question was most based on the fact that wrappler (as it is build by dmx) is not an extension anymore but an alternative to DW... so I was asking for a confirmation of this fact... and as Teodor you did it... thanks... cool...

[williamj31276244]

Wappler guys released some video about creating sites and binding dynamic data: http://wappler.io/Wappler_intro.mp4 looks nice so far.

[BenPleysier]

This is a teaser and I was told that it should not be published as yet.

[W_J_T]

BenPleysier  wrote

http://wappler.io/Wappler_intro.mp4  <--- This is a teaser and I was told that it should not be published as yet.

Given that the video was shared above and you previously mentioned the article about Wappler pricing - and are a beta user.

Subscription Costs

BenPleysier​

[Question:] Does the video presented demonstrate the Free (base version) or the paid for Subscription version ?

[BenPleysier]

[Preran]

To everyone here,

I think this post has run its course. I am not sure if a person  that comes across this post will have the patience to go to the fourth page in the series.

Would it be OK if I lock this discussion now? A new post on a similar topic can be created, if required, in the future.

Thanks,

Preran

[W_J_T]

Preran  wrote

I think this post has run its course. I am not sure if a person  that comes across this post will have the patience to go to the fourth page in the series. Would it be OK if I lock this discussion now?

If the goal is to censor, stymie and silence discussions on alternatives to Dreamweaver, then I guess so. Otherwise, peoples information sharing and opinions matter.

By contrast the following discussion went 19 pages and it was given 5 years of existence even though people were still posting. 10K+ plus views, 740+ replies. [Locked] HOW MANY PEOPLE HATE ADOBE NOW? raise your hands  - Which now has a followup thread: CENSORED: HOW MANY PEOPLE HATE ADOBE NOW? raise your hands! Version 2 .

5 years vs 5 months ?

I see nothing wrong with this thread. The Adobe Dreamweaver team should be interested in similar class product competition, user feedback and overall opinions, all for the sake of making Dreamweaver and Adobe products better.

[Nancy OShea]

I think the OP is long gone and this thread has run its course.   I stopped paying attention to this a long time ago.

Nancy

[Preran]

Hi W_J_T,

Censor, stymie, or silence - It is against our forum policy, and rest assured,  my reason for locking this discussion is for reasons I have already mentioned.  Our moderating discussions is to serve the interests of the vast majority of our readers that visit the forum hoping to quickly benefit from the discussions here without posting anything themselves.

In this case, I see merit creating a separate discussion debating Wappler than have it buried in this thread.

Forums are just one of the many ways in which the team receives feedback and prioritizes features. To directly interact with the team, I suggest enrolling yourself for the prerelease programs when they are made available.

Happy weekend to you and to everyone!

Thanks,

Preran

[W_J_T]

BenPleysier   wrote

http://wappler.io/Wappler_intro.mp4  <--- This is a teaser and I was told that it should not be published as yet.

They officially released access to the video today. So no more worries about the bootleg version mentioned previously above. LOL

https://twitter.com/wapplerio/status/957999195914493952

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmTQw8jopGc

Perhaps (fittingly?) by April 1st (April Fools Day), the public beta will be available. Kidding, relax folks.

But I guess the basic question remains relevant however.

[Question:] Does this video represent and demonstrate the Free (base version) or the paid for Subscription version ?

[rayek.elfin]

W_J_T  wrote

But I guess the basic question remains relevant however.

[Question:] Does this video represent and demonstrate the Free (base version) or the paid for Subscription version ?

I assume that they are showcasing the FULL version, which implies the version that requires the full rent. Why would they demonstrate a limited version, and risk negative feedback? Show what you got is the best way to sell a product. No punches pulled.

Being rental only, I would never consider Wappler. Then again, I do my own PHP code, so... I am the wrong target audience anyway 😉

[osgood_]

rayek.elfin  wrote

Being rental only, I would never consider Wappler. Then again, I do my own PHP code, so... I am the wrong target audience anyway 😉

You can use almost anything if you can code........the world is your oyster in terms the web editors available. One doesnt need to be beholden to any kind of rubbish that a lot of these editors include or workflows they 'force' upon you.

Im skeptical but never say never!

[rayek.elfin]

osgood_  wrote

You can use almost anything if you can code........the world is your oyster in terms the web editors available.

Wholeheartedly agree. Although frameworks and libraries can be helpful to speed up things. But at least you will know what you are doing, and can make educated decisions when it would make sense to use them or not.

For example, I design and code games. I wouldn't want to re-invent the wheel by having to code my own 3d engine. I'd rather use Godot or Unity to take care of that part for me, and focus on actual game making and logic building using the built-in languages.

[W_J_T]

rayek.elfin  wrote

I assume that they are showcasing the FULL version, which implies the version that requires the full rent. Why would they demonstrate a limited version, and risk negative feedback?

Well perhaps so? But then again with some information they released that was 100% inaccurate it seems their control and flow of released information is not really that well managed or conceived.

Pinegrow for example shows the cheapest base version in their Pinegrow version 4 Promotional Video for the first 3 minutes (3/4 of video). Then the last minute is used to quickly express the added features of the optional Pro and WP upgrade versions. Which leaves the viewer with a clear and concise impression with no guess work involved.

With the Wappler video by contrast, a person has no clue what version or features are being shown, if they are free or need purchased additionally.

rayek.elfin  wrote

Being rental only, I would never consider Wappler.

Well as you translated previously, there will be a free base version (supposedly). However what it can do and what features remain absent, is yet to be stated or shown.

osgood_  wrote

You can use almost anything if you can code........the world is your oyster in terms the web editors available.

True that. 100%

[W_J_T]

Whelp, Wappler finally did something with their main site.

https://wappler.io/index.html

There still remains no mention or differentiation between the previously spoken of, basic or paid for versions, that appeared and was spoken of in the article.

Perhaps the most interesting thing is that next it goes to "crowdfunding" in 14 days. So I wonder if only those whom participate in the crowd-fund will get access to the ongoing beta, or there will be a public beta soon?

The elongated trickle reveal of Wappler continues.

[W_J_T]

Perhaps the most interesting thing is that next it goes to "crowdfunding" in 14 days. So I wonder if only those whom participate in the crowd-fund will get access to the ongoing beta, or there will be a public beta soon?

I guess they pay close attention to the forum ...

Because they already amended the site stating only those whom take part in the crowd funding will have early access.

LOL

[osgood_]

Crowd funding isnt free.

This lot sound like they are taking the same pills as the guys over at Panic.......perhaps decent developers but clueless when it comes to business and even more clueless when it comes to keeping their client base or potential client base informed.

If they need crowd funding they cant be hugely confident that this thing is going to make the kind of bucks needed to keep it going........hummm

At the moment its a circus act for sure.

[W_J_T]

Seems like they lost a lot of time that they could of already had the crowdfunding operational.

osgood_  wrote

This lot sound like they are taking the same pills as the guys over at Panic.......perhaps decent developers but clueless when it comes to business and even more clueless when it comes to keeping their client base or potential client base informed.

If they need crowd funding they cant be hugely confident that this thing is going to make the kind of bucks needed to keep it going........hummm

At the moment its a circus act for sure.

Or perhaps similar to Macaw and then Scarlet, then selling out --- A lot of people got screwed with that project / investment.

• Macaw Crowd Funding Macaw: The Code-Savvy Web Design Tool by Macaw — Kickstarter
• Then onto Scarlet which was never realized https://web.archive.org/web/20161114140221/http://scarlet.macaw.co/
• Then sold out Macaw is joining InVision!

2,752 backers pledged $275,929 + plus those whom later bought the app === Plenty of p*ssed off and screwed users from the Macaw community with that 3 prong approach.

Perhaps since DMXzone never got bought out for their extensions from Adobe, they are hoping the app might be the magic piece of the buyout puzzle.