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Column for heading, column for body text?

Community Beginner ,
Mar 25, 2014 Mar 25, 2014

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Hiya, I am wanting to have the headings in one column and the body text in the other, like in the image below, the text will need to flow in case there are edits later. Does anyone know how to go about doing this? I am using Indesign CC

Many thanks

Mel

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Guru , Mar 25, 2014 Mar 25, 2014
Do it with anchor object, and make object style from this anchor object.

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Mar 25, 2014 Mar 25, 2014

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Do it with anchor object, and make object style from this anchor object.

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Community Beginner ,
Mar 25, 2014 Mar 25, 2014

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Thanks so much, that sorted it nicely.

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LEGEND ,
Mar 25, 2014 Mar 25, 2014

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Hi,

There is often another way to do it differently ... No anchored block, no script... only ID and styles! 

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Guide ,
Mar 26, 2014 Mar 26, 2014

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Well done, Obi-Wan. How did you make the blue text align with the black text vertically?

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Explorer ,
Mar 26, 2014 Mar 26, 2014

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Why don't you show the style definition?

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Mar 26, 2014 Mar 26, 2014

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I think this was done by uing a single column frame and adding a large left indent to the main body text style, then adding a similar larg right indent to the heading style, along with a negative baseline shift equal to the leading, but Obi-wan will need to confirm.

If that's correct, though, there is a problem if the heaing falls at the top of a column. It will leave a one-line gap.

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Guide ,
Mar 26, 2014 Mar 26, 2014

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I was able to work out that much, but when I apply the blue style, it doesn't move down to be beside the black text. It's not baseline shift, because in the video, single and multi-line paragraphs all line up with the black text with a single style.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Mar 26, 2014 Mar 26, 2014

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Baseline shift (and it's negative, not positive), worked for me. If you look closely at the video when the text moves you can still see the highlight above which is typical for shifted type.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Mar 26, 2014 Mar 26, 2014

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By the way, that's also how the spacing between sections gets there (which is why it's a problem at the top of the column).

Here's a screen shot showing the shift with the first paragaph highlighted:

Shifted header.png

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LEGEND ,
Mar 26, 2014 Mar 26, 2014

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Hi,

It is indeed magical! 

This night, I accidentally closed the ID file without saving it!  but Peter has almost found! [Peter, to finish, try with several blue lines!]

Regarding the small bug in top, Peter is quite right! but just enlarge upwards the text block to catch up!

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Mar 26, 2014 Mar 26, 2014

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Yeah, multiple lines is a problem with just baseline shift. How did you do that?

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LEGEND ,
Mar 26, 2014 Mar 26, 2014

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Peter,

Always magical!

The last secret: Title para style have nested lines styles! Like this:

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I've created 5 char styles for 5 lines.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Mar 26, 2014 Mar 26, 2014

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Line styles to add the shift. Very clever indeed.

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LEGEND ,
Mar 26, 2014 Mar 26, 2014

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Peter, I agree with you: I myself would have used Salah's method. I use a [Javascript] that makes it (much better and much more complicated: it can add a vertical thread of the kind hug with gradient and shadow or anything else as thread, adapting it to the height of the text in the anchored block)!

The [JS] searches all the para with a para style given and make the work. Here, it's totally "magical" 

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LEGEND ,
Mar 26, 2014 Mar 26, 2014

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Peter,

We're totally wrong about the little "bug" (top of the page).

It can be fixed by:

Capture d’écran 2014-03-26 à 14.25.56.png

Totally normal because the "Title" para style I use has a leading of... 0 pt!

So, here, It's finally an interesting alternative!

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Mar 26, 2014 Mar 26, 2014

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OK, now you've got what I consider a workable solution. You can add space before to get a break between the sections when the heading is not at the top of the column.

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LEGEND ,
Mar 26, 2014 Mar 26, 2014

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Peter, I appreciate the term "workable solution"!    Totally agree with you!

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Guru ,
Mar 26, 2014 Mar 26, 2014

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Obi-wan Kenobi, that's very very nice.

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Sep 06, 2017 Sep 06, 2017

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@Can you recommend a way to make this work for margins that are on the outside of each page, rather than on the left of each page?

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Enthusiast ,
Sep 06, 2017 Sep 06, 2017

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Hi,

Anchored objects can be set to be away from the spine, so using that method will achieve this for you.

Regards,

Malcolm

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Adobe Community Professional ,
Mar 26, 2014 Mar 26, 2014

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Obi-wan Kenobi wrote:

Regarding the small bug in top, Peter is quite right! but just enlarge upwards the text block to catch up!

Not to diminish the achievement here, but I'm always heistant to use a technique that can cause me to have to go through the whole document looking for problems in reflow because I've made an edit that adds or remove a line someplace. I'll admit to extending or reducing the length of a pair of frames at the bottom of a spread in order to get a better flow, but it always comes back to haunt you at some point. At least if you do it on the bottom, it's less jarring to the reader than misaligned page tops.

Using the original anchored object suggestion (and including the positioning in an object style) allows for heading of any length in any position. Yes, you need to create the anchored frames, but once done they stay where they belong when you edit.

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