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Copying text from source doc results in default Minion Pro

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June 30, 2021
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When copying text from a source document to a target document, both using the same style and character sheets, the font, instead of being Museo Sans, defaults to Minion Pro. The character style sheet on both is set to None. I've closed down InDesign, re-launched without any files open, and the default font that displays is the correct Museo Sans. This is really aggravating and wondered if anyone might have an answer.

In anticipation

Michael

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Laubender

Community Expert

Hi @MaryGraph ,

I am thinking of other reasons why this [No Paragraph Style] changed its definition from Minion Pro Regular to Museo Sans 300. Could it be that this document B once was translated by using a Translation service that worked with an IDML file?

Or could it be, that the document was once opened in a CJK (Chinese, Japanese Korean ) version of InDesign and the [No Paragraph Style] was perhaps editable with that version? Someone edited it just like the [Basic Paragraph Style] at that point…

Regards,
Uwe Laubender

( ACP )

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MaryGraph

Participating Frequently

Hi @Laubender ,

Very intersesting!

Indeed I see that the [Basic Paragraph Style] contains the Museo without 300... For sure, we don't use any translation software and the documents are opened with the French version of Indesign.

As there are 3 of us working on these files and we use OneDrive, I am leaning towards these ideas:
- Either a colleague has changed the [Basic Paragraph Style]
- Or there was a synchronization problem with OneDrive (I don't know if this is possible, but I have a colleague which has a habit of leaving everything open, even on weekends).

Thanks again!

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MaryGraph

Participating Frequently

Hello again,

I didn't think to mention it, but we use Indesign on both PC and Mac.

Now that I know where to look, I see that the majority of our documents all have this corruption: Museo Sans 300 by default.

I'm thinking of the following scenario:
- We had made a new design with templates and style sheets.
- One document had the [Basic Paragraph Style] modified with the Museo Sans.
- This document was used to import the parent pages and style sheets into existing documents.
- AND that the [Basic Paragraph Style] was also imported, which could have redefined the default font.

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Laubender

Community Expert

Hi @MaryGraph ,

@Brad @ Roaring Mouse detected that the [No Paragraph Style] in document B is not the norm.

Usually one cannot change that paragraph style of a document. At least not in the user interface of InDesign.

It's also hard, perhaps nearly impossible, to change that style by scripting.

Speculation: But perhaps, this exactly happened with document B? Someone ran a script that changed the [No Paragraph Style] to the definition of the [Basic Paragraph Style]. Note: The [Basic Paragraph Style] was changed intentionally, but unnecessarily, to font Museo Sans. I have no idea, why.

To illustrate what Brad found I set some text with the [Basic Paragraph Style], converted that to the [No Paragraph Style] and finally removed all style overrides to see how the [No Paragraph Style] is defined with document A and document B.

Doc A is the sample what we will expect with "normal" documents from InDesign.

Because the document was set with a French version of InDesign, it is no surprise that [No Paragraph Style] has language French applied:

The weird thing is with document B:

Here we see Museo Sans 300 as the standard font definition of the [No Paragraph Style].

NOTE: In my German InDesign the following translations apply:

Characters panel

Zeichen > Characters

Metrisch > Metric

Sprache: > Language

Französisch > French

Paragraph Styles panel

Absatzformate > Paragraph Styles

(Keine Formate) > No styles

which refers to the [No Paragraph Style] style.

[Einf. Abs.] > [Basic Paragraph Style]

Character Styles panel

Zeichenformate > Character Styles

[Ohne] > [None]

Regards,
Uwe Laubender
( Adobe Community Professional )

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Laubender

Community Expert

Hi Rob,

I have "nearly" no issues when I move pages from document B to A.

No overrides with Minion Pro. But there are overrides on paragraph and also sometimes on character level. Mainly Chinese properties.

Not so if I move pages from document A to document B.

Then I get massive character overrides with Minion Pro.

In the case where weight 700 is applied for Museo Sans I also get missing font warnings, because a Minion Pro with style 700 does not exist of course. Strange behavior, indeed.

Regards,
Uwe Laubender

( ACP )

rob day

Community Expert

Not so if I move pages from document A to document B.

Then I get massive character overrides with Minion Pro.

Yes, I’m seeing the same—seems like the Doc-B file has some sort of corruption.

If I recreate document B by making a new A4 doc and moving the B Masters and pages over to the new doc, I don’t get the override and font problems on a paste from Doc-A.

Get the Doc-B-New.indd file I attached to my last post, and try copying and pasting from @MaryGraph ’s Doc-A.indd.

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Laubender

Community Expert

Hi Rob,

opened your linked InDesign document Doc-B-New.indd with InDesign 2022 and saved it to a new name.

Yes, this is basically the same when I moved the pages from B to A. Same overrides on paragraph level. With style overrides highlighter enabled:

Regards,
Uwe Laubender

( ACP )

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Laubender

Community Expert

Hi @MaryGraph ,

thank you for your sample InDesign documents.

I can see your issue, but I cannot tell why that is.

Or how this can be avoided.

Must look deeper into this case.

Looks rather strange…

Thanks,
Uwe Laubender
( Adobe Community Professional )

Brad @ Roaring Mouse

Community Expert

I would check both documents to see if they have matching "Basic Paragraph" Styles... separate from your other defined Styles.

Scott Falkner

Community Expert

FIrst thing I thought of.

Basic Paragraph Style is a trap. To avoid the trap do all three of these things:

Never apply Basic Paragraph Style to any text.
Never edit Basic Paragraph Style.
Never base any styles you use on Basic Paragraph Style.

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Michael5ED9Author

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Hi Scott and thanks.

That's interesting about Basic Paragraph Style. I tend to create my own Body text but based on [No Paragraph Style]. I'm interested in why you're so vehement and call it a trap. Strong words.

Michael

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Laubender

Community Expert

Yes, we need the InDesign documents.

Thanks,
Uwe Laubender

( ACP )

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MaryGraph

Participating Frequently

Hi Michael and Uwe,

I have exactly the same problem!

Copy and paste a block of text from doc A to doc B with the same paragraph and character styles (after importing the styles from A to doc B + gabarit (parent pages?))
Also "Museo sans" become "Minion Pro"
I try to rest the basic paragraph style, no effect
If I copy and paste from doc B to A, it keeps "Museo sans" but indicates that there are changes (the "delete replacements" button)

Please find here the documents:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/qm3neq522nr824d/AABqfCmtVpycjtdJiWY_5jCIa?dl=0

Thanks!

rob day

Community Expert

Hi @MaryGraph , It seems like there is a corruption in the Doc-B file. A Save As doesn’t help, but If I create a new A4 document and drag the Masters and Pages over from the problem Doc-B file, the paste from Doc-A works as expected. I’ve attached the clean file—I’m working with CC2021.

Doc-B-New.zip

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Laubender

Community Expert

Hi Michael,

if you type in doc A using that paragraph style do you get "Museo Sans" ?

If you type in doc B using that paragraph style do you get "Museo Sans" ?

Hm. Make a sample of both docs available so that we can see into this case.

Best put them on Dropbox or a similar service and post the download links.

Thanks,
Uwe Laubender

( ACP )

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Michael5ED9Author

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Thanks Laubender.

Yes Museo Sans on both source and target document. Am I sending them as InDesign docuements?

John Mensinger

Community Expert

Copy/Paste from InDesign document to InDesign document (which is how I understand your description), should retain the styling, as long as you don't invoke the Paste Without Formatting command, intentionally or inadvertently.

Have you tried a preferences reset?

https://community.adobe.com/t5/indesign/reset-indesign-preferences-and-other-troubleshooting/m-p/11990234#M423408

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Michael5ED9Author

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Paste without formatting – definitely check that one. Thanks John.

Jumpenjax

Community Expert

Did you try to import instead of copying? If you just copy it will use your default font when pasting. You can change your default font, but it will not hold any bold, italics or different type sizes.

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