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muralir77854934
Participating Frequently
July 17, 2025
Question

font silent substitution

  • July 17, 2025
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Hi,
I'm using the STIX Two Text font for the "greater than or equal to" symbol (Unicode 2265). However, in the generated PDF, it appears as a Symbol font instead.

It seems InDesign automatically substituted the f ont because STIX Two Text does not include the U+2265 character.

Since the missing glyph wasn't flagged, it's hard to identify the issue.

Is there any way to detect missing glyphs in InDesign, either manually or through a script?

 

Regards,

Murali

2 replies

Brad @ Roaring Mouse
Community Expert
July 18, 2025

Symbol font substitution has been a thing since the beginning and the days of PageMaker. Whenever a font did not have that specific glyph in its own set (most fonts back in the day didn't), Symbol stepped in. This included standard things like the © and ™.

So what you are seeing is normal behavior. Fonts eventually started to include these glyphs and, in the case of Pagemaker, you had an option to use one or the other.

InDesign, similarly, does this automatically, and of course newer fonts have them, so the symbol substitution doesn't happen. You will also notice there are no styles to the Symbol font... e.g. there is no Bold version.

To be clear, this is separate from the Missing Glyph Protection in Preferences > Advanced Type, which is meant to substitute another font (usually InDesign's default, say Myriad) if the typeface you were using was missing a multi-part glyph like particular accented character.

Community Expert
July 17, 2025

Missing glyphs are shown as pink boxes. Your greater-than-or-equal-to character isn't missing, it's in the STIX font. Why InDesign changed the font during PDF export is beyond me.

muralir77854934
Participating Frequently
July 17, 2025

Hi Peter Kahrel, The Unicode character U+2265 (≥) does not exist in the STIX Two Text font, which causes it to be automatically substituted—often with the Symbol font—in the output PDF. You can check the attached PDF.

 

Regards,

Murali

Community Expert
July 17, 2025

But in the InDesign screenshot you show that the document uses one font, and U+2265 is shown correctly. Can you select the character and open the Character panel so that you can see which font is applied to U+2265? And post a screenshot?