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Greyscale jpegs or psd images are going much darker when dropped in on indesign.

  • May 22, 2020
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Hello,

 

I am working on the insides of a book that is illustrated with black and white images. The illustrator, however, forgot to supply greyscale images. When I convert her CMYK images to greyscale, there is more or less no change on photoshop. However, when I drop the new image in InDesign, it is MUCH darker. I can't leave it like this because the images will print too dark and not read well. I've tried converting JPEGs and PSDs and I have the same problem when importing on indesign.

 

The colour settings appear to be the same.

 

Indesign:

(Settings) Europe General Purpose 3

(Working Spaces) RBG - sRGB IEC61966-2.1

(Working Spaces) CMYK - Coated FOGRA39 (ISO 12647-2:2004)

(Colour management policies) RGB - Preserve Embedded Profiles

(Colour management policies) CMYK - Preserve Numbers (Ignore Linked Profiles)

(Conversion Options) Engine - Adobe (ACE)

(Conversion Options) Intent - Relative Colourimetric

'Black Point Compensation' is ticked.

 

Photoshop:

All the settings are the same as on InDesign.

(Working Spaces) Gray - Dot Gain 20%

(Working Spaces) Spot - Dot Gain 20%

 

I've attached an image of how I see the image on photoshop v. how dark it gets on indesign so you can see.

Does anyone know how I can fix this? Any help would be much appreciated.

 

Juliette

 

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Correct answer rob day

InDesign does not have grayscale color management. It displays grayscale images as they will print on the Black CMYK plate when you have Overprint Preview turned on. With Overprint turned off grayscales are displayed as sGray (2.2 Gamma), which is useful for screen only projects.

 

If you turn on Oveprint Preview the grayscales will preview using your document’s assigned CMYK profile—Edit>Assign Profiles... Here are some related threads:

 

https://community.adobe.com/t5/indesign/exporting-rgb-cmyk-and-grayscale-to-print-pdf/m-p/10990825?page=1#M179498

 

 

https://community.adobe.com/t5/indesign/dot-gain-or-gray-gamma/td-p/8365606?page=1

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rob day
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rob dayCommunity ExpertCorrect answer
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May 22, 2020

InDesign does not have grayscale color management. It displays grayscale images as they will print on the Black CMYK plate when you have Overprint Preview turned on. With Overprint turned off grayscales are displayed as sGray (2.2 Gamma), which is useful for screen only projects.

 

If you turn on Oveprint Preview the grayscales will preview using your document’s assigned CMYK profile—Edit>Assign Profiles... Here are some related threads:

 

https://community.adobe.com/t5/indesign/exporting-rgb-cmyk-and-grayscale-to-print-pdf/m-p/10990825?page=1#M179498

 

 

https://community.adobe.com/t5/indesign/dot-gain-or-gray-gamma/td-p/8365606?page=1

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May 22, 2020

Hello Rob,

 

Thank you for your help. Wow! There is a massive difference when I click overprint preview (I thought I had tried it...). 

Does this mean that I can trust the overprint preview more than when it's checked off? That is the closest resemblance to when it will be printed?

 

Thanks again for your time,

 

Juliette

rob day
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May 22, 2020

Does this mean that I can trust the overprint preview more than when it's checked off? That is the closest resemblance to when it will be printed?

 

In general yes, but keep in mind that the CMYK soft proof depends on the accuracy of the document’s CMYK profile, and the accuracy or your system’s monitor profile. In your case you seem to be assigning Coated Fogra 39 to your document, so if the press is actually printing to that profile standard, and your monitor profile is accurate, the InDesign soft proof is as accurate as you’ll get.

 

Rather than using the default Dot Gain 20% in Photoshop you might consider using Black Ink Coated Fogra 39 instead. There are instructions in the linked threads on how to save and use Black Ink gray profiles.