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Eternal Warrior
Eternal Warrior
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May 4, 2017
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Help?! Print Marks are showing up in the bleed area rather than at page edge?

  • May 4, 2017
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So forgive me - I'm usually fairly knowledgeable when it comes to InDesign but for some reason I find myself wondering if this is a genuine issue that I have caused for one of the printing companies we use as a supplier or not.

I've designed a pull-up for a new product....Literally as it sounds... the graphic is rolled in a metal base frame which then pulls up and is kept displayed by the use of a light aluminium pole and clips etc....

Anyway...

The problem is that the Print marks etc are showing up inside the bleed area rather than at the document edge like so in the final PDF output:

I haven't changed my export to PDF settings or anything for a while and its always looked OK before...
Certainly haven't had a supplier come back for a while and say the artwork is wrong etc...

My Work Rig specs are:

InDesign CC2017

Windows 10 Pro

i7 Processor.

8 GB RAM

SSD

Is this an actual issue or is this just a case where the supplier has got someone new into the company who doesn't know what they are doing?

Many thanks,

EW

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Correct answer rob day

If you are worried about it you can push out the marks by making the offset the same as the bleed. Here my Marks>Offset is equal to the .375" bleed amount:

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rob day
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rob dayCommunity Expert
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May 4, 2017

I've designed a pull-up for a new product....Literally as it sounds... the graphic is rolled in a metal base frame which then pulls up and is kept displayed by the use of a light aluminium pole and clips etc....

Also I doubt you need color controls and registration marks—this must be for a composite printer right?

Eternal Warrior
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May 4, 2017

https://forums.adobe.com/people/rob+day  wrote

I've designed a pull-up for a new product....Literally as it sounds... the graphic is rolled in a metal base frame which then pulls up and is kept displayed by the use of a light aluminium pole and clips etc....

Also I doubt you need color controls and registration marks—this must be for a composite printer right?

Yeah I probably don't need to supply them but I normally do it as part of my own written procedures for the company I work for as we have a habit of needing to dig things out and re-using them or using them as is.

So I prefer to keep a copy with all possible print information so that our digital files are more organised and smaller in size because there are only multiple versions of the same document when strictly necessary.

This is more a question for future knowledge rather than directly handling my print supplier... I've quickly knocked together a version with only Crop, Bleed and Slug.  Which I am hoping will still come out OK.

But yeah.

rob day
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May 4, 2017

Which I am hoping will still come out OK.

If they are requesting more than the standard .125" bleed, you might want to also increase the offset. Do they have a problem trimming accurately?

amaarora
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May 4, 2017

Hi,

Just to add what to Rob said, can you also see what happens when you check this option in the pdf export option?

Also, you can see the marks nicely in Acrobat (mine is 2017 latest) if you Goto Preferences (ctrl+k) then navigate to Page Display and enable the marks in Page Content and information.

-Aman

Eternal Warrior
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May 4, 2017

Done that already thanks @amaarora! It's when it goes for print from their side that is the issue.

rob day
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May 4, 2017

If you are worried about it you can push out the marks by making the offset the same as the bleed. Here my Marks>Offset is equal to the .375" bleed amount:

Eternal Warrior
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May 4, 2017

Hi https://forums.adobe.com/people/rob%20day​ - Rob:

[Tagging still not working on chrome with Jive it seems...]

Apologies my example was too zoomed out to effectively show. Crop marks are also present.

The pull up (or roller banner) is 850 mm W x 2000 mm H with a 10 mm bleed top, left and right. As well as an additional 150 mm bleed to the bottom to allow for where the banner can essentially sometimes get pulled higher or lower than the base.

Does the Offset make a difference to the bottom crop as well as it appears in the edge of the crop like so:

Instead of at the edge of the page/bleed:

The thing is that I have had no issue supplying exactly the same set up documents for banners before with the information as you can see in the screenshot to this print company before which is the main reason why I am wondering if it is them or me who has done the wrong thing.

Best wishes,

EW

Eternal Warrior
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May 5, 2017

So does that mean I'm doomed if the marks aren't all unilaterally the same such as with the 150 mm bleed to the bottom compared with the top?

Just to be clear on terms the bleed is the distance from the crop (trim) marks to the outer bleed boundary—it shouldn't need to be 150mm (5.9"). So below is an export with the default marks and a .125" bleed. The green line is the trim and the outer black line is the bleed.

The crop marks catch some of the bleed, but they are offset by the default 2mm and everything outside of the trim line will get cut off (including the crop marks) unless the printer can't accurately trim within the 2mm tolerance. If I were to increase the bleed amount as in my #1, the document title would be inside of the bleed area, but would still get trimmed off.


Understood. Perhaps then it is the way they had me set up the document in the first place as usually I make a bleed that is equal all the way around - which normally is given a 3mm bleed or 5mm max.

Perhaps instead of extending the bleed I should have actually extended the document by the desired extra bleed at the bottom and then simply used rulers to mark what is "bleed" and what is not.

Thanks for your answers all the same.

rob day
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May 4, 2017

The problem is that the Print marks etc are showing up inside the bleed area rather than at the document edge like so in the final PDF output:

It looks like you have included bleed marks but not crop marks and the bleed amount is large. So the marks can be inside the bleed but would never be inside the trim. Here I have a .375" bleed:

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