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How to change your grid guides (# of rows, columns, gutter size)?

Participant ,
Nov 23, 2018 Nov 23, 2018

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I am running InDesign CS6. After I set up grid guides in my document, using Layout>Create Guides and Layout>Margins and Columns, I sometimes decide that a change should be made to the grid.

However, I cannot find a way to edit the grid guides. When I go back up to Layout>Create Guides and Layout>Margins and Columns, the settings does not reflect the existing grid structure (Like if I had 3 rows by 5 columns, it doesn't show this.) It just behaves as if I have no previously set up guides.

This happens even if I select all the guides and am in working on the master pages.

Also, I don't see any menu field/control to control this, like the user did in this YouTube tutorial (skip ahead to about 1 min 55.)

InDesign: Modify a Grid in an Existing Document - YouTube

In this video, you can see he uses the top menu to modify the grid with the controls in the red circle below. BUT these controls don't show up for me, even if I've selected the guides.

grid change.png

The only way I've figured out a workaround is the select all the guides, delete them, and start all over and create new guides OR manually drag each guide/select a guide and input values individually which takes forever.

Any ideas?  Thanks!

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Community Expert , Nov 24, 2018 Nov 24, 2018

Hi Dan:

Yes, you are showing exactly what I described in my earlier response:

Use Layout > Create Guides to define the horizontal grid. The prior values will not be visible here. I suggest turning Preview on, activating the Remove Existing Ruler guides checkbox and then putting in the correct number of horizontal guides. If you don't remove the old guides, editing the number values will simply add new ones. I think this is your actual question.

Unfortunately, there is not an edit ruler guides dialo

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Community Expert ,
Nov 23, 2018 Nov 23, 2018

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Have you looked at InDesign Preferences – Grids?

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Nov 23, 2018 Nov 23, 2018

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I did try this, but I do not see any settings here that will help...

prefs grid.png

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Community Expert ,
Nov 23, 2018 Nov 23, 2018

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Try Layout > Margins and Guides.

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Nov 23, 2018 Nov 23, 2018

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Reset your Preferences in program

Steps to both Mac and PC:

http://www.tech4pub.com/2012/10/10/indesign-tip-reset-preferences-to-improve-performance/

Make sure your selecting.

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The control panel is contextual and depends on what's selected and how large your monitor is.

Derek has given you the correct answer.

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That's a relief!

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I have tried Layout > Margins and Guides, but no luck. It will just create a new set of guides on top of my existing ones

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Community Expert ,
Nov 23, 2018 Nov 23, 2018

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I see the issue now. You used created guides. If you use layout > margins and guides to begin with it would work.

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Community Expert ,
Nov 24, 2018 Nov 24, 2018

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Hi dsev1:

That video is demonstrating something that may be different from what you are asking: he is showing how to use primary text frames with a multiple column grid and then, how to edit the grid. It's two steps because the grid is defined in two places: both on the master page and again in the primary frames.

  1. Edit the master page grid via Layout > Margins & Columns and then
  2. Select the primary frames and edit the number of columns to match the page grid via the Control Panel buttons

The button you are asking about is specifically used to change the columns and gutter on the primary frames (and not on the page). If you don't have a text frame selected, it won't be visible. If you do have a text frame selected it still may not be visible because of size/shape of your display. If you don't see the column button when the frames are selected you can:

  1. Edit the buttons on the Control panel to make room, or
  2. Type > Text Frame Options > Number and Gutter (the Control panel buttons are just shortcuts for these two commands):
    Screen Shot 2018-11-24 at 10.27.16 AM.png

Now, are you using primary text frames, or are you simply working on a master page grid? If the latter, ignore the video:

  • Navigate to the master pages
  • Use Layout > Margin and Columns to edit the page grid. You will see the prior values reflected here, and if preview is activated, you can see the impact of your changes. We usually use these values to define the vertical grid.
    Screen Shot 2018-11-24 at 10.35.37 AM.png
  • Use Layout > Create Guides to define the horizontal grid. The prior values will not be visible here. I suggest turning Preview on, activating the Remove Existing Ruler guides checkbox and then putting in the correct number of horizontal guides. If you don't remove the old guides, editing the number values will simply add new ones. I think this is your actual question.
    Screen Shot 2018-11-24 at 10.36.15 AM.png

And to clarify, there are two separate commands at play here: Layout > Margins and Columns and Layout > Create Guides. The words have been consistently mixed up in the thread above. There is no Layout > Margins and Guides command in InDesign.

~Barb

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Participant ,
Nov 24, 2018 Nov 24, 2018

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Hi Barb,

Thanks very much for this clarification.

I am still a bit confused. I wish under Layout, there was an option that was "Edit Guides."

I've attached a quick video of my problem. Hope you have a chance to watch it. Thanks!!!

-Dan

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Hi Dan:

Yes, you are showing exactly what I described in my earlier response:

Use Layout > Create Guides to define the horizontal grid. The prior values will not be visible here. I suggest turning Preview on, activating the Remove Existing Ruler guides checkbox and then putting in the correct number of horizontal guides. If you don't remove the old guides, editing the number values will simply add new ones. I think this is your actual question.

Unfortunately, there is not an edit ruler guides dialog box—that's why I suggested removing the current guides with the checkbox and adding new ones when you realize you need to make a change. Alternatively, you can drag them manually to a new location.

We are a community forum (users helping users) so we can't do anything about your wish, but the Adobe engineers can. Please use this form for feature requests—if a request is popular enough, it may be included in a future release.

Adobe InDesign Feedback

~Barb

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Thanks!

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We are always happy to help.

~Barb

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