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September 13, 2024
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How to Remove Minion Font as the Default in InDesign

  • September 13, 2024
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Changing the font in the character panel and in the "Advanced Workspace" top left panel  does not effect a permanent change even within the same text box. I've disabled Minion through Font Book. I've searched my drive and thrown it away. It just won't die.

 

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Correct answer Mike Witherell

With no documents open, go to a workspace in order to access Paragraph Styles panel. 

Right-click and edit/open Basic Paragraph Style. Change the Minion there to something you wish and like. OK.

Thereafter, new documents will not default to Minion, but rather to your chosen favorite typeface.

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Mike Witherell
Community Expert
Community Expert
September 14, 2024

Standing orders within the dominion of InDesign: arrest and destroy Normal paragraph style whenever seen! I treat Normal like crabgrass in my front yard.

Mike Witherell
rob day
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September 15, 2024

I treat Normal like crabgrass in my front yard.

 

My point was that [Basic Paragraph] isn’t the only case where you might run into same named style conflicts and paste problems. How many InDesign documents have a style named AHead? Break Link to Style will work for anything.

Mike Witherell
Community Expert
Community Expert
September 14, 2024

I'd like to acknowledge Scott's objection to my answer. Perhaps I should have answered more fully, like this:

 

With no documents open, go to a workspace in order to access Paragraph Styles panel. 

Right-click and edit/open Basic Paragraph Style. Change the Minion there to something you wish and like. OK.

Thereafter, new documents will not default to Minion, but rather to your chosen favorite typeface.

 

AND... What else does a seasoned user of InDesign also do?

I have learned to never make a style based on Basic Paragraph Style. We should tend to make the style based on No Paragraph Style, as many of you have observed. That is what I do. All my documents stick strongly to the practice of cleanly-applied paragraph styles.

 

It seems contradictory to say never make a paragraph style based on Basic Paragraph Style, since any new style is going to begin as a duplicate of Basic Paragraph Style (unless you have a type tool in text). I often describe it as the "seed corn" to grow a new style. Done properly, a new paragraph style will start as a dupe of Basic Paragraph Style. Add to it your specific attributes that you need. Just make sure the Based On says No Paragraph Style, or some other nearly-identical style. Approached this way, I don't worry too much about copy n pasting chunks of stuff between documents. I frequently inspect my paragraph styles for conformity.

Mike Witherell
Dave Creamer of IDEAS
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September 14, 2024

Agree--my base parent styles are always based on No Paragraph Style. In effect, I ignore the Basic Paragraph Style so I don't really care what it is set to.

 

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rob day
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September 14, 2024

I ignore the Basic Paragraph Style so I don't really care what it is set to.

 

You could still run into problems whenever there are same named styles with different properties, so in the end you have to understand how styles work— when there is a name conflict, the destination style definition always overrides the source definition—that can easily be lost on a new user.

 

It might not be unusual to be cutting and pasting from 2 docs with conflicting styles named Normal brought in with placed Word docs.

rob day
Community Expert
Community Expert
September 13, 2024

Hi @carolineh76238118 , As others have suggested, you can change the default font used for a new text frame or document, but keep in mind MinionPro Regular is the font used for the base [No Paragraph Style], and the root Paragraph Style can’t be changed via the UI:

 

 

It’s also one of InDesign’s required fonts—you can remove it from your system font folders, but it has to be left in:

 

‎⁨Startup⁩ ▸ ⁨Applications⁩ ▸ ⁨Adobe InDesign 202X⁩ ▸ ⁨Resources⁩ ▸ ⁨Required⁩ ▸ ⁨fonts⁩

 

MinionPro it will always be available in the font menus.

 

 

Dave Creamer of IDEAS
Community Expert
Community Expert
September 13, 2024

With no document open, edit the [Basic Paragraph] style. Don't edit the Character panel.

This will affect only new documents--existing documents need to be updated one at a time.

 

David Creamer: Community Expert (ACI and ACE 1995-2023)
James Gifford—NitroPress
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September 13, 2024

Yeah, Mike already said that. <GD&R>

Dave Creamer of IDEAS
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Community Expert
September 13, 2024

Response was not there when I started typing. Only after I hit Post did it show up.

 

David Creamer: Community Expert (ACI and ACE 1995-2023)
Mike Witherell
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Mike WitherellCommunity ExpertCorrect answer
Community Expert
September 13, 2024

With no documents open, go to a workspace in order to access Paragraph Styles panel. 

Right-click and edit/open Basic Paragraph Style. Change the Minion there to something you wish and like. OK.

Thereafter, new documents will not default to Minion, but rather to your chosen favorite typeface.

Mike Witherell
Dave Creamer of IDEAS
Community Expert
Community Expert
September 13, 2024

Beat me to the punch again, Mike!

David Creamer: Community Expert (ACI and ACE 1995-2023)
Abhishek Rao
Community Manager
Community Manager
September 13, 2024

Hi @carolineh76238118,

 

Thanks for reaching out, and I can understand how frustrating it must be to have Minion persist like this! Let's see if we can solve it together.

Could you please share which version of InDesign you’re using and the details of your operating system? This will help in identifying any potential version-specific issues.

As for the font sticking around, it’s possible that the default font settings are still pointing to Minion. Please try the below suggestions: 

  1. Set a New Default Font: With no documents open, change the font in the Character panel. This will set the new default for future documents.
  2. Paragraph and Character Styles: Check if there are any styles applied to the text that are still using Minion. You may need to update or remove those styles.
  3. Preferences Reset: If you haven't already, try resetting InDesign preferences (hold Shift+Ctrl+Alt (Windows) or Shift+Command+Option+Ctrl (Mac) while launching InDesign). Reference:Set preferences in Adobe InDesign

Let me know if this helps, and feel free to reach out if you need further assistance!

 

Thank you, 

Abhishek Rao

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September 13, 2024

Thanks for all the sugegstions but I have previously tried all of them.

1. Already tried  
2. I've been doing that but it is a contstant battle and time waste of font replacements.

3. Default pref's only exacerbates the situation and it also resets everything to dark canvas mode and other undesirable settings:(
4. macOS Monterey V 12.7.6; latest updated version of InDesign
Clarification: the font default switches back to Minion in a text box AFTER all those other things have been done AND always when pasting copy from any other source document. It doesn't matter what the source document font is. So I am saying it starts as the desired font and reverts to Minion so text in a single text box will be 1/2 and 1/2.

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September 13, 2024

P.S. The general prefs dialog box does not match Rob Day's below.