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smashkirk
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June 29, 2017
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How to set PDF reading order in InDesign?

  • June 29, 2017
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I'm trying to create an accessible PDF. I've tagged my elements in InDesign using styles. I've set the order of my content in the Articles panel. When I export my file to PDF, why is the reading order not correct? Is there a way to set the reading order of the PDF I create from within InDesign? Or do I have to redo the reading order within Acrobat every time I make a PDF?

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Hi Linda,

I know, it's confusing. And there should be NO reason that the read order is different than the tag order...so ADOBE should sync the two or get rid of one and just let an "order pane" dictate both read order and tag order. But, if for now it is what it is, I've discovered these helpful tips:

  • Layers can be used to control the "Read Order" in your PDF.
  • The Articles pane can be used to control the "Tag Order" (or Tab Order).
  • Personally, I don't use Layers to control my read order. But my read orders are never out of whack, therefore, I've never had the need. But, before the layers were the answer to read order, I discovered that even you only have ONE "Layer," the order can be controled/determined by the order in which you placed items on the page, meaning the first placed item is read first (in the read order) and the last item placed is read last (in the read order). 

I've had some very complicated documents (like org charts) with stuff peppered all over the place. I merely used the Articles pane....and my read order mirrored the Articles pane....and my tags were perfect.

 

I hope this helps.

~Mary Helen


Yeowza!

Such a lot of mixed up info in this thread over the years. Let me take a stab at bringing some order to this discussion about reading orders. This will be long...

 

#1: The Tag Tree reading order (Tag RO) is most important because it is mandated by the PDF/UA-1 accessibility standard. Most of the assistive technologies on the market today are compliant with the PDF/UA-1 standard and, therefore, take their accessibility from the Tag Tree RO. They read the content in the order shown in the Tag Tree.

 

There are several methods in InDesign that control the Tag RO; here they are in order of effectiveness:

 

  • Thread your stories from the 1st frame to the last as one story thread. That means each story thread will begin with the frame that holds the heading 1 (title) and be threaded to the successive frames through the last paragraph of text. In some designs, this is all it takes to have a fully compliant, beautiful Tag RO as well as perfects tags.
     
  • Using a single frame per page, divided into multiple columns if needed, is a quick way to thread everything in the story. Using the Primary Master Text frame is a variation of that. But not all designs can be created with that single frame method — such as brochures, posters/flyers, fact sheets, newsletters, and other types of designs with lots of bits and pieces — so don't depend on using a single frame layout for everything, and ensure you learn how to "stitch" or thread frames together into logical stories.
     
  • The Articles Panel doesn't really help much in terms of accessibility. There are many types of designs that don't need it at all, but some key times to use it are for complex designs, such as covers, flyers, posters, and info-graphics where you have a lot of bits and pieces to wrangle into a logical reading order.  It can help improve your Tag RO, but it doesn't control it entirely. So if you have not threaded your stories (the first bullet), the Articles Panel most likely won't save your butt entirely.
     
    • Note: If you use the Articles Panel, it will group together all the tagged elements in each story into an individual <Art> tag. That might make your tag tree look nice for us who can see tag trees, but it does absolutely nothing for accessibility. Not one assistive technology at this time (Sept 2021) recognizes the <Art> and announces it to the end user. It will be several years before this becomes a truly functional tag; we were just discussing it today in one of our ISO committee meetings for the PDF/UA standard and standards take years to develop and get published. Don't hold your breath waiting for this to happen.
       
    • Another note: But there's nothing wrong with future-proofing your PDFs to have the <Art> tags in it for each story.
       
    • Watch out for these Quirks of the Articles Panel

      • — Once you drag one element, frame, graphic, etc. into the Articles Panel, everything must be dragged into it. It's an all or nothing tool. If something is left out, it will become untagged content in the PDF, not artifacted, but not accessible either. The left-out items are in Zombie-land...neither alive nor dead and often fail accessibility checkers.
         
      • — For each Article you create in the panel, check its option to Include When Exporting. Easily missed when you're on deadline and so frustrating when it doesn't tag your stuff! Wish Adobe would set its default to ON so that we didn't have to think about this one. Don't foret to set it for each Article.
         
      • — Set the panel's options to Use for Tagging Order in Tagged PDF. This is in the panel's options drop-down menu. Set this once and it controls all articles in the panel.
         
  • The last item that could affect the Tag RO is the Architectural Order — you see this in InDesign via the Layers panel, and we see it in the Order panel in Acrobat. In complex designs with items overlapping each other, the stacking order in Layers can affect the Tag RO. Not always, but sometimes. (See more in  #2 below.)

 

#2: The Architectural Reading Order is the next most critical one to control. Although most compliant assistive technologies use the Tag RO, many instead use the original reading order of PDF: the Architectural RO, which has been in PDFs since day one. Tags are a more recent addition to the file fomat.

 

It's also the RO used for cross-media publishing and greatly affects EPUBs, HTML, XML, and other publishing technologies you could export your InDesign layout to.

 

You know this as THE Order panel in Acrobat — the blue "z" tool. Why someone at Adobe named it THE Order panel is beyond me; there are 4 different reading orders for accessibility in PDFs, and this is not THE main one or only one, but instead it's tied for second place. (Note that the 4 ROs correspond to the 4 items in my post.)

 

Several techniques to control the Architectural RO, in order of ease and effectiveness:

  • Remember, every piece or frame you place in your layout will be another element to control in the Layers Panel.
     
  • Therefore, minimize the number of frames you use. Try to simplify your design, or the way you construct your design, to use as few frames as possible. This is an ideal time to consider using that single-frame-per-page technique above (such as a primary master frame) — it keeps order in your Layers Panel, and produces nice clean Tag ROs and Architectural ROs in the PDF.
     
  • Drag/Drop elements up/down the layers panel to control the RO. This panel's RO is read bottom up.
     
  • Flatten your layers in InDesign.
     
  • Better yet, use just one layer in InDesign. The more layers you have, the more screwed up your PDF will be.

 

#3: The TAB Reading Order.

I know it's called the TAB RO, but most assistive technologies don't use the TAB key on their keyboard to invoke it. Other keys they might use, depending upon their technology and their user preferences: up/down arrows, return key, a double-puff through a puffing straw, a nod of their head, a voice command ... whatever action that allows them to tell the technology to advance forward one paragraph or line or form field or whatever. Just remember that TAB RO doesn't necessarily mean the user is using the actual Tab key on their keyboard.

 

These 2 InDesign techniques, used together, control the TAB RO:

  • Thread your stories (see #1).
     
  • When exporting to Interactive PDF, click the option to Use Structure for Tab Order. Translation: follow the Tag Tree for the Tab RO.

 

#4: The Form Fields Reading Order is used only in PDF forms, so let's skip this one until you're in a PDF forms class.

 

Hope this helps.

Hmm. Looks like I just wrote a new handout for my Accessible InDesign class on Friday <grin>.

 

4 replies

mary helens142890
Inspiring
December 18, 2019

I've seen the same issue. And, like someone else posted, I've read that the screen readers read in the order of the TAGS menu. But, like you, it bothers me that my "read order" doesn't match my source file, my articles order nor the tags order in the PDF export. So, I remembered LONG ago, when InDesign wasn't as fleshed out in the ADA 508 compliancy as it is now, the only way I could control the ORDER was the order in which I placed my items on the page. So, current day work around = I found that if, in my source file, I "cut" (command X) each piece that is out of order, one-at-a-time, AND immediately "paste in place" back to the same spot, working with this cut/paste-in-place in the ORDER that I WANT my page to read, it fixes the read order in my exported PDF.  When I cut/paste-in-place each text frame piece (per page) one-at-a-time, it also pastes right back into the same place where it was in my articles pane (thank goodness!). THEN, when I export a PDF, everything is in the order that it should be: tags (check), read order (check)....good to go. If you do this work around IN your source file, you never have to touch/fix the PDF each time you export.

 

Personally, I think Adobe can delete the "read order" area in acrobat if the real order for screen readers uses the TAGS order. Don't need them both (especially if they are going to contradict one another).

Mary Helen Shuff | Art Director &amp; Senior Graphic Designer | 508-Compliancy Coordinator | Forms Coordinator | Printing Liaison
mary helens142890
Inspiring
February 3, 2021

FOLLOW UP: you can control the "read order" and the "tag order" by putting each text frame into InDesign's ARTICLES pane ...and SELECT the "Use for Tagging Order in Tagged PDF" option from the Articles pane drop-down menu. (see attached image.)

 

For threaded content, you only need to put the FIRST text frame inside the article pane.

 

The Articles pane allows you to select and drag the content into any order you choose. And, as long as you select the "Use for Tagging Order in Tagged PDF" option, the tags will be PERFECT on the PDF output.

Mary Helen Shuff | Art Director &amp; Senior Graphic Designer | 508-Compliancy Coordinator | Forms Coordinator | Printing Liaison
petraew
Participant
February 19, 2021

Many good answers and tips. 

I've got a related problem, my footnotes (if that is the English term ...) does not end up in the right location in the reading order. I have a two-column document (one text-block divided into two columns) with footnotes at the bottom of each page. But after export to pdf the notes are mostly placed after the first column in the reading order, sometimes are directly after the H1 (no, no reference for the note in the H1 text). Since there are several notes on each page I really want them placed at the bottom of the page. I have so far dragged them to the right location in acrobat, but I really wish to have a way to achieve this in Indesign. Please help! 🙂

Participant
January 11, 2018

I'm having the same issue. Although I just read in another post that, even though the reading order looks wrong in Acrobat, it actually reads in the correct order you've set in Articles. Which is beyond stupid.

If not, the Articles panel is useless and we just need to order our layers from bottom to top in reading order.

mary helens142890
Inspiring
February 3, 2021

When using  InDesign's ARTICLES pane to control the "read order" and the "tag order" ..you must SELECT the "Use for Tagging Order in Tagged PDF" option from the Articles pane drop-down menu. (see attached image.)

 

For threaded content, you only need to put the FIRST text frame inside the article pane.

 

The Articles pane allows you to select and drag the content into any order you choose. And, as long as you select the "Use for Tagging Order in Tagged PDF

Mary Helen Shuff | Art Director &amp; Senior Graphic Designer | 508-Compliancy Coordinator | Forms Coordinator | Printing Liaison
mary helens142890
Inspiring
September 15, 2021

Re: Reading Order in InDesign (PDF) is determined by the Layers Panel in InDesign. The exported PDF reads the InDesign layers bottom (first) to top most layer (last)

 

I searched for a half a day for a tutorial/video preferrable on an official Adobe site or Lynda.com and only came across this thread and this CHAX Chat podcast https://www.accessibilitychecklists.com/accessibility/chax-chat-episode-9/. Seams absurd that Adobe has not figured out a way in Acrobat, or InDesign where you can match reading order to tag order. Who builds their documents with text on the bottom? 

 

No wonder I've had issues in the past with trying to "fix" a reading order by moving the tag order. 

 

I'm about to produce an accessible PDF from a book laid out ~5 years ago. I would like to keep my layers with graphics below my text where necessary, then I just need to make sure my text reading order layer(s) is in a bottom to top order, bottom text layer reads first, top most text layer reads last for each spread. Correct? 

 

Is there an online technical help tutorial or video? 

 

Thank you in advance.


Linda,

 

You may be misunderstanding the different between the LAYERS control and the ARTICLES pane control. Even in the very pod cast that you linked to is the following quote:

  • "Chad Chelius
    And so the the, the the next method for controlling your tag order is using the Articles panel. And the Articles panel has one purpose in life, right. And that is simply to control the the tag order of the content in InDesign. And basically, the way it works is you open up the the Articles panel, and you just start dragging and dropping objects into that Articles panel, defining the order in which you want your content to be output. And it’s an amazing, you know, component inside of InDesign. The little, little gotcha with the Articles panel is that by default, it doesn’t work. And that’s because, well, yeah, you can add a million things, the Articles panel, and you spit out a PDF, and nothing, nothing changed, everything’s fine. Because there’s a little checkbox in the panel menu, where you have to choose, and they recently changed the name of that the current name is use for tags. Yeah, you use for tagging order in tagged PDF, it used to say use for reading order in tagged PDF, which was incorrect information.
  • Chad Chelius
    And that’s gonna lead us to, you know, to the second part of our discussion here, but, but so the Articles panel, you know, we have several ways of controlling a tag order in InDesign, and, you know, I’m not going to tell you always do it this way. Because even for me, it really varies on the document that I’m building, again, to your point, Dax. If it’s a long document, everything is flowing, I don’t need the Articles panel, it’s just going to work, it’s it’s going to be determined based on how I link the content. But for more design documents, your your Articles panel is going to be more more important."

 

I use the ARTICLES pane (with the "use for tagging order" option TURNED ON) regardless of what layer the content is on and I  have complete success each and every time. See pic. It's easy peasy. I only have to drag/drop the first FRAME of a threaded content into the articles pane. THIS is highly convenient when the threaded content goes for 50 pages and I only have to drag/drop ONCE for the thread.

Mary Helen Shuff | Art Director &amp; Senior Graphic Designer | 508-Compliancy Coordinator | Forms Coordinator | Printing Liaison
BobLevine
Community Expert
Community Expert
June 29, 2017

What version of InDesign? While things have gotten better, from what little I know of accessibility, even following every procedure you should in InDesign still forces some clean up work in Acrobat.

smashkirk
smashkirkAuthor
Inspiring
July 18, 2017

I'm using the latest versions of all of Adobe products.

One thing that helped me was checking off "Use for reading order in tagged PDF" in the flyout menu of the Articles panel. This has ordered the content in the Tags panel in Acrobat. HOWEVER, the Reading Order panel in Acrobat is still not correct and does not follow the article order I have assigned.

I suppose I could do "clean up" work in Acrobat, but my document is 28 pages and quite complex, and there is no undo button when reordering content in Acrobat.  And if I need to update the PDF file I will have to go through the reordering process in Acrobat all over again - which would take many hours.

I also tried reordering the items in the Structure pane to see if that helps but it does not.

Participant
August 14, 2017

The Reading Order panel in Acrobat is set by the Layers panel in InDesign. It goes from bottom to top (i.e., the layer on the bottom is at the top of the reading order). Setting this can be very tedious, but it is still easier than remediating it in Acrobat.

Using the layers panel to set the reading order can cause a problem if you have text that is layered on top of a picture, but for some reason need the text to be read before the picture's alt text (like if it's a heading for the picture). I don't have a solution for that other than to avoid it or ignore it.

Willi Adelberger
Community Expert
Community Expert
June 29, 2017

Make it in a single text thread.

smashkirk
smashkirkAuthor
Inspiring
July 18, 2017

My stories are all threaded properly.

mary helens142890
Inspiring
February 3, 2021

you can control the "read order" and the "tag order" by putting each text frame into InDesign's ARTICLES pane ...and SELECT the "Use for Tagging Order in Tagged PDF" option from the Articles pane drop-down menu. (see attached image.)

 

For threaded content, you only need to put the FIRST text frame inside the article pane.

 

The Articles pane allows you to select and drag the content into any order you choose. And, as long as you select the "Use for Tagging Order in Tagged PDF

Mary Helen Shuff | Art Director &amp; Senior Graphic Designer | 508-Compliancy Coordinator | Forms Coordinator | Printing Liaison