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January 31, 2023
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Indesign PDF Export background image not displaying in some Readers.

  • January 31, 2023
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We ran into a strange anomaly exporting a pdf from InDesign. The png background image was initially screened back to 9%. The pdf looked perfect on our Mac OS and in Acrobat Reader, and Acrobat Pro, and Preview. When distributed to our curriculum team, almost half of the people couldn't see the image. I even tried placing the image at 100% opacity and the image still wasn't visible to these particular users. I'm unaware of their platforms but they are likely PC. I also tried placing the image as an AI file in ID. Same result. 

 

Ultimately, I published to the cloud and they were able to successfully preview the pdf online and download an accurate version of it. This makes me think there is some issue with InDesign exporting pdfs on Mac OS. First time we have encountered an issue like this.

 

Mac OS 12.5, Indesign 18.1

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Community Expert
February 1, 2023

@geigreg said: "The file needed to be saved in Print format versus Interactive so it can be printed out in high resolution. I will examine the settings Uwe recommended. "

 

Hi @geigreg ,

my recommendation is just for presenting the pages with PDFs as good as possible optically!

For any PDF reader software.

It is by no means meant for professional printing.

 

If you want to add interactivity as well you need two export paths from InDesign to do two different PDFs.

1. PDF export to Adobe PDF (Print) > File A ( do that for e.g. high resolution, showing overprint etc. )

2. PDF export to Adobe PDF (Interactive) > File B ( do that for e.g. functional buttons )

 

Open file B in Acrobat Pro DC and exchange all pages with the pages from file A.

All interactive elements are maintained.

 

Regards,
Uwe Laubender
( Adobe Community Expert )

geigregAuthor
Inspiring
January 31, 2023

These are all great comments, thank you. I'm still fielding details but it appears most are using Acrobat Reader to view the file on both Mac OS and Windows. I did save versions in Acrobat 5-8 ( I skipped v4). The file needed to be saved in Print format versus Interactive so it can be printed out in high resolution. I will examine the settings Uwe recommended. 

 

Unrelated, Gmail continues to send my Adobe forum emails to spam regardless of my efforts. Suggestions?

 

Thanks, everyone.

 

-g

geigregAuthor
Inspiring
January 31, 2023

And I have added 

noreply@mail.community.adobe.com

to my contacts but forum replies still go to spam.

BobLevine
Community Expert
Community Expert
February 1, 2023

Create a new folder and direct your emails there. 

Community Expert
January 31, 2023

Hi @geigreg ,

I do not think the issue is with InDesign if Adobe Reader and Acrobat Pro can show the PDF correctly.

My suggestion would be to export the page the following way for screen representation only; be the viewer the PDF viewer of a browser or not:

 

 

Regards,
Uwe Laubender
( Adobe Community Expert )

Bevi Chagnon - PubCom.com
Legend
January 31, 2023

@Laubender

Uwe, I'm wondering if Acrobat 4 compatability (specification 1.3) would work here. I don't have my version references handy, but I think this was before Acrobat handled layers and transparencies well enough. I usually recommend Acrobat 6 (spec 1.5) as a minimum.

 

Also, maybe PDF Interactive might produce a sufficient workable PDF, rather than PDF Print. Worth a try.

 

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BobLevine
Community Expert
Community Expert
February 1, 2023

I concur. If there's any use of transparency, there will be stitching artifacts and that opens up a different can of worms.

Barb Binder
Community Expert
Community Expert
January 31, 2023

Hi @geigreg:

 

When distributed to our curriculum team, almost half of the people couldn't see the image.

What readers were being used by this group? Adobe only focuses on exporting PDFs that display correctly on Adobe Acrobat and Adobe Reader. Best I can tell, they do not focus on compatibility with 3rd party readers.

 

~Barb

~Barb at Rocky Mountain Training
Bevi Chagnon - PubCom.com
Legend
January 31, 2023
quote

Adobe only focuses on exporting PDFs that display correctly on Adobe Acrobat and Adobe Reader. Best I can tell, they do not focus on compatibility with 3rd party readers.

~Barb

By @Barb Binder

 

Barb, I understand what you're trying to say here, but it needs to be flipped around to be accurate.

 

Background: When Adobe donated the PDF file format to the International Standards Committee (ISO) in 2008, PDF became an open standard and from that point on, anybody could create software that could make PDFs and/or read (aka, process or render) them.

 

However, all of those companies must follow the programming standard for PDFs — called the ISO 32000 standard https://www.iso.org/standard/75839.html — which ensures that the PDF is correctly encoded for viewing, processing, etc.  The standard isn't written or controlled by Adobe anymore: it's an international committee of PDF experts from many different companies, including those who make PDF software.

 

15 years later, we now have hundreds of 3rd party programs that make and/or read PDFs, but few of them actually follow the standard well enough, so end users get all sorts of problems like what's posted above.

 

My shop reviews and test these manufacturers' PDF-related apps and we find that Adobe makes the best programs for making/exporting PDFs as well as the best programs for reading/processing PDFs.

 

Adjusting what was originally stated: Adobe only focuses on exporting PDFs that meet the ISO 32000 standards for PDFs. display correctly on Adobe Acrobat and Adobe Reader. They do not focus on compatibility with  Whether or not 3rd party readers process PDFs correctly is a crap shoot, and Adobe has no control over what other companies do or how well they follow the open source international standard for PDFs.

 

@geigreg, the problem lies with the software used by your curriculum team, most likely re: how the background image's transparency is being interpreted by the reading software. Most 3rd party programs do not know what to do with transparency; some show the graphic at full 100% intensity, others not at all. (Most likely the software's programmers never read the entire standard because transparency is specified towards the end of the standard, around page 979 in Annex Q, IIRC.)

 

If you can, tell us the variety of software programs and operating systems your colleagues used. There really shouldn't be a difference between Mac and Windows reading apps, but you never know!

 

Some suggested guidelines for your campus:

  • Don't open PDFs in browsers, which notoriously fail to fully process (or render) PDFs with all their features (like transparency, forms, accessibility, color accuracy, and interactive stuff).
  • MS Edge tends to hijack the PDF file format. It sets itself as the default program to open when a PDF is double-clicked from a website or Mac finder or Windows file explorer. See if you can adjust the default to Acrobat Reader.
  • Encourage users to download the PDF and open it directly in an Adobe product — the free Reader, Acrobat Standard, or Acrobat Pro.
  • PDFs made from office software might render OK in 3rd party software because generally this type of PDF is mainly text and simple graphics. No transparency, interactivity, forms, or other fancy stuff we designers throw into our InDesign layouts.
  • If the software is free or very cheap, you get what you paid for. The only exception is Adobe Reader, which was developed back in the day when only Adobe could make and read PDF files.

 

Hope this helps.

 

—Bevi

US Delegate to the ISO committees for PDF (32000), PDF/X (print & graphic arts), PDF/A (archival), PDF/UA (universal access) and PDF/E (engineering) international standards. I actually read these standards several times a year ... for funsies, you know, because it's such "lite" reading when I have insomnia. Gah! I've got to get a personal life!

 

|    Bevi Chagnon   |  Designer, Trainer, & Technologist for Accessible Documents ||    PubCom |    Classes & Books for Accessible InDesign, PDFs & MS Office |
jane-e
Community Expert
Community Expert
January 31, 2023

 

@geigreg 

 

Can you post a link to a sample file with your background png and some dummy content so we can see if we can spot the issue? Zip it first so the png is properly linked.

 

Jane