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nsgma
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October 21, 2020
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Position of objects in facing pages

  • October 21, 2020
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Is there a setting for objects position (and other setttings) that relating to the spine?

I am currently looking at positioning bleeding photos on facing pages (sometimes bleedign left, sometimes bleeding right), but I can't align the box from the spine only page edge or margin (and only left margin).

 

This would be also useful for text box positions and justification.

 

Any ideas?

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LaubenderCommunity Expert
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October 24, 2020

Hi nsgma,

I hope you read into the article Eugene did and linked to.

Also what Willi Adelberger said.

 

All fine hints and solutions to your problem.

 

However:

One thing that was not discussed or communicated clearly, but FRIdNGE hinted at, is: By anchoring a graphic frame that contains an image the whole frame is re-positioned according to its anchored objects settings relative to the spine. If you are good to go with that no need to read further.

 

But if you intend to move the image inside the graphic frame as well, or if you intend to move path points of the graphic frame, because you always like to show the exact same area of the image on the printed page independently if the outer bleed is left or right to the image itself, we have to add something to the solution Eugene and Willi outlined very well.

 

FRIdNGE does this "something" using a script.

A script can control all aspects of this situation; also moving an image inside a graphic frame depending on the bleed. Or moving path points of a graphic frame. Depending where the bleed must happen. Left or right from the frame, top or bottom or any other combination.

 

Doing this without a script is possible, I think. But it requires a setup that is more complex than "only" anchor a graphic frame to text on the page. Perhaps we can use yet another feature of InDesign to accomplish this: Text Wrap. It's just an idea, not a full thought out recipe; I'll come back if I tested something…

 

Regards,
Uwe Laubender

( ACP )

    FRIdNGE
    FRIdNGE
    Inspiring
    October 24, 2020

    Hi Uwe,

     

    I won’t write again:

     

    “Hmm!  Not really sure wrapping has something to see with a matter of bleeding!”

     

    ... But curious to read what you could propose in this way!  😉

     

    Best,

    (^/)

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    Eugene TysonCommunity Expert
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    October 24, 2020

    Please make available the script

      Willi Adelberger
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      Willi AdelbergerCommunity Expert
      Community Expert
      October 23, 2020

      You can align anchored objects but not threadet text.

      1. Crete a text frame
      2. Make you image or not threadet text frame.
      3. Anchor it in the text frame
      4. With object styles you can now as it is an anchored object position relative to the spine. Use an object style for it.
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        Eugene TysonCommunity Expert
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        October 22, 2020

        See my linked in post

         

        https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/indesign-anchored-objects-explanation-example-eugene-tyson/

         

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          nsgmaAuthor
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          October 22, 2020

          sorry replied too fast. I am looking into it. Thanks, N

          FRIdNGE
          FRIdNGE
          Inspiring
          October 23, 2020

          Unfortunately - that's the only way I have ever managed it - I don't know of any other way. 

          It's certainly one for the Feature Request. I see in the Object Styles for positioning there is an option but it doesn't cover Spine. 

           

          There is already a feature request for this - you just need to add your voice. I have added mine!a

          https://indesign.uservoice.com/forums/601021-adobe-indesign-feature-requests/suggestions/33862330-object-styles-size-and-position-relative-to-spinehttps://indesign.uservoice.com/forums/601021-adobe-indesign-feature-requests/suggestions/33862330-object-styles-size-and-position-relative-to-spinehttps://indesign.uservoice.com/forums/601021-adobe-indesign-feature-requests

           

           


          Hi Eugene,

           

          You don't seem to appreciate my comment but I confirm it! …

           

          Let's take a simplistic example:

           

           

          As you can see, the layout is "correct" (bleed).

           

          Now, imagine I decide to remove the page 2!

           

          What a mess with the bleed! …

           

           

          … Keep cool! I just need 1 click to fix it!

           

           

          Of course, I can continue to add/remove pages! …

           

          The images are not anchored, just placed on the pages and they are enough big to allow the Script to increase their parent frame width! So, they don't move in their page: we only make the right/left side more or less visible!

           

          Have a good day!

           

          (^/)  The Jedi

           

           

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          nsgmaAuthor
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          October 22, 2020

          Perhaps my question was not clear, so I will try to explain better. The question is related to position of the objects but has a touch of bleeding to it. However, I want to stay away from the spine bleeding issues raised in other discussions.
          I will have a book with numerous, almost full-page images (see image below). The images should bleed to the external edge of the page. Inevitably, I will reorder, remove, or add pages, sometimes images, sometimes text pages. Many times, it will not be possible to add/remove/reposition full spreads, but single pages will be added/removed/repositioned. When that happens, the position/bleeding gets all messed up. In a potentially hundreds-page book will be a mess to clean it up.


          Now, it seems that this is not possible at the moment (which is strange) so it would be great to file this under a feature request: have a odd/even position setting on the Object Styles. I suspect this would also solve some of the spine bleeding issues, but it would be good overall.
          Secondly, I would ask someone familiar with scripting in InDesign how difficult it would be to write something that reads like: variable oddposition= N mm; variable evenposition= M mm; variable selObSt select.ObjectStyle “BleedingImage”; for each selObSt if onEvenPage Position=evenposition else oddposition. NOTE THIS IS FAKE CODE LANGUAGE 😉

          @rob day Any ideas?

           

          Derek Cross
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          Derek CrossCommunity Expert
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          October 21, 2020

          You don't have bleed on the inside margins of facing pages. 

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          nsgmaAuthor
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          October 21, 2020

          Hello Derek,

          Perahps my question was not clear. I have images bleeding on right pages (to the right) and on the left pages (to the left). When I reorder the image sequence (or add a single page, sometimes), the moved pages bleed to the opposite side. I like to use object styles to precisely position my images and text, but I can't find a way of make it relative to odd or even pages.

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