Separate or space facing pages

[Alex32252670s8p0]

Hi everyone... here I am with another strange request.

When I work on a project with a few pages, I create it with single pages and then I place them side by side leaving 1 cm of space between them, so I can see the result at a glance.
But if I have a complex project with many pages, I create it using the side by side pages option. But there is a problem, when I export for printing, the page elements on the edges overlap and create problems.

My question is this: can a document with side by side pages be dismantled and the pages separated, but leaving them on the same plane? The separation must only move the right and left pages away from each other along the horizontal axis.
I leave an example image.

I tried some scripts but they don't work

[Peter Spier]

Sounds like you've specified an inside bleed, whci on a facing pages file is normally the edge of the opposite page at the gutter. You can split apart a facing spread by deselecting Allow Selected Spread to Shuggle in the Pages Panel menu and dragging one page away from its parner until you see a vertical line.

You can also do this for the entire document if you need to using a script (one of which can be downloaded from https://gilbertconsulting.com/scripts/indesign/separate_spreads.zip).

You might also find some useful information at https://community.adobe.com/t5/indesign-discussions/script-for-splitting-spreads-for-bleed-or-other-...

[Alex32252670s8p0]

Thanks Peter...that's exactly what I was looking for too. The script seems to do a great job

[rob day]

The separation must only move the right and left pages away from each other along the horizontal axis.
I leave an example image.

Hi @Alex32252670s8p0 , A document can be set up with Facing Pages unchecked in Document Setup, and then you can create Master Spreads as facing pages with any amount of space between the pages. This would be usefull for binding methods where the inside edge is trimmed and visable (e.i., Wire-O). You would not want to do it for bindings where the inside edge is folded and not trimmed (e.i., Saddle Stitch) because the printer would remove any bleed you provide during the page imposition before going to press. See attached.

[Peter Spier]

@rob day that's an interesting file, but Page 1 seems to be a left instead of a right.

Also, not sure how you set up the divided spread master. Did you use the Page Toll to separate them?

[rob day]

@rob day that's an interesting file, but Page 1 seems to be a left instead of a right.

Hi Peter, If your Document Setup has Facing Pages unchecked the pages get centered on the pasteboard and there is no spine guide. But that doesn’t matter because documents that will be imposed have to be Exported as single pages, not spreads. I downside of this approach is, the Align Towards/Away From Spine Paragraph setting doesn’t work automatically because there is no spine guide.

So a default PDF/X-4 with bleeds and marks Exports like this—single pages with bleeds on all sides:

Or if I turn on Page Display > Two Page Scrolling in Acrobate, the PDF dislays like this:

[Peter Spier]

I understand that. I was referring to  your page 1 using the left half of your two-page Parent rather than the right.

This would be a problem if you had, say, headers or footers oriented relative to the spine which you acknowledge above.

As for how you set up the spread gap?

[rob day]

As for how you set up the spread gap?

The Page Toll lets you move the page relative to the pasteboard. I use the Transform Panel to set an exact gab:

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

@rob day 

There is only one small problem with this 😉 You're moving blank pages 😉 contents won't "follow"...

[Peter Spier]

@Robert at ID-Tasker Are you sure contents don't move with the page?

In the sample file the Parent Page objects are correctly aligned...

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

@Robert at ID-Tasker Are you sure contents don't move with the page?

In the sample file the Parent Page objects are correctly aligned...

By @Peter Spier

Yes, I've checked on a file before posting 😉 when you move page - you're not moving container - that has all objects on the page "glued" to that container - like it was a group - you're just moving a shape in the background.

[Peter Spier]

I think the point is to move the page first, then add the objects. In the test file I've added some objects on the A Parent page and on the document page then added new pages and done some shuffling, and the objects have always remained where they belong, and the parent objects have swapped as expected.

What was unexpected was when I deleted a page, and moved one over to make a two-page spread again I lost the gap.

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

@Peter Spier

Are you talking about objects that were overriden from Masters? Maybe - I haven't tested it this way. 

But if you create an object on the page - then move the page - object remains at its relative to the pasteboard position - do not follow the page. 

[rob day]

You're moving blank pages 😉 contents won't "follow"...

Hi @Robert at ID-Tasker , I'm not seeing that. The Page tool moves the page and its contents:

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

@rob day

Then you must be doing something differently? 

Can you share your INDD document? 

[rob day]

I attached the files in my first two replys yesterday. Make sure you are working with Facing Pages turned off in Document Setup. With Facing Pages on, it is assumed the facing page spread will be folded (not cut) for the binding, so you can’t pull the facing pages apart.

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

@rob day 

I've used your file Wire-o example.indd - and it works in YOUR file - but when I create a new file - Facing unchecked, then create 2x page Master - drag&drop between existing pages - I have the same effect of pages moving away from the spine - both pages in proportion - BUT when I place an object on the page and move left page away - object doesn't move:

[rob day]

Not sure what’s going on—I can’t get that to happen here.

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

@rob day 

OK, scratch the part that it "works" in your file 😉

It works on the other pages:

but only because those objects - are on the Master - what I've suspected earlier, when replied to @Peter Spier.

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

@rob day 

Even if I don't use mouse - I can't because of the overriden graphic covering the page:

- and use Control panel:

it still moves only page - graphic remains in place:

[rob day]

Seems like a bug. Are you using a new version?

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

Seems like a bug. Are you using a new version?

By @rob day

Still on 20.0 - don't want to be a guine pig 😛 - are you saying, that when you move pages 6 or 7 - your colored boxes - move together with the pages?

OK, just noticed something - that was rather obvious in the earlier screenshots... but missed that...

If I'll move one page - the objects on the other moves with the page - but if I then move the other page - its object won't move:

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

@rob day 

EXACTY the same happens in 2024 and 2023.

But you're still on 2021?

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

Same effect on CS6 - after IDMLing:

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

@rob day 

Maybe it's Mac related??

Or, just in case 😄 can you maybe record a video, showing EXACTLY what you're doing?