Separate or space facing pages

[Alex32252670s8p0]

Hi everyone... here I am with another strange request.

When I work on a project with a few pages, I create it with single pages and then I place them side by side leaving 1 cm of space between them, so I can see the result at a glance.
But if I have a complex project with many pages, I create it using the side by side pages option. But there is a problem, when I export for printing, the page elements on the edges overlap and create problems.

My question is this: can a document with side by side pages be dismantled and the pages separated, but leaving them on the same plane? The separation must only move the right and left pages away from each other along the horizontal axis.
I leave an example image.

I tried some scripts but they don't work

[Dave Creamer of IDEAS]

Dumb question--do you have Objects Move with Page checked at the top?

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

Dumb question--do you have Objects Move with Page checked at the top?

By @Dave Creamer of IDEAS

You mean in the Control panel? 

No idea - and can't check right now, will check in the morning. 

But you're probably right = something obvious 😉 

[Dave Creamer of IDEAS]

Yes.

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

Yes.

By @Dave Creamer of IDEAS

You were right!

I'm extremely practical 😉 and rather smart 😉 but I can't imagine why it's even an option??

Who and for what reason - would ever want to move page(s) - without contents??

Especially, when it moves contents of the adjacent page anyway...

[Laubender]

@Robert at ID-Tasker asked: "… Who and for what reason - would ever want to move page(s) - without contents??"

Well, Robert, one could use the Page Tool to move all objects on all selected pages in one go; document wide.

Rather than moving the objects one could move the selected pages with option [ ] Objects Move with Page unchecked.

Regards,
Uwe Laubender
( Adobe Community Expert )

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

Well, Robert, one could use the Page Tool to move all objects on all selected pages in one go; document wide.

By @Laubender

I'm sorry, but I don't understand what do you mean?? You can't move objects - using Page Tool?

Rather than moving the objects one could move the selected pages with option [ ] Objects Move with Page unchecked.

But why would you want to move pages - and leave objects on the Pasteboard?

Can you show me some practival example? Becuase I can't understand what would be the point 🙂

You either move pages - with contents - or you move contents - between pages.

You can't move pages "somewhere" - as objects - and leave contents - as contents can be left without pages?

[Laubender]

@Robert at ID-Tasker said: "You can't move pages "somewhere" - as objects - and leave contents - as contents can be left without pages?"

Of course you can. In the moment a page is selected in the document ( no pages panel involved ), you can transform that object, that page, with the Transform panel. And when the objects on the page do not move with the page, in effect the object will be moved relative to the page.

Regards,
Uwe Laubender
( Adobe Community Expert )

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

@Robert at ID-Tasker said: "You can't move pages "somewhere" - as objects - and leave contents - as contents can't be left without pages?"

I mean't that you can't have objects on the pasteboard of a Spread - without Pages. Pages can't exist without Pages.

Of course you can. In the moment a page is selected in the document ( no pages panel involved ), you can transform that object, that page, with the Transform panel. And when the objects on the page do not move with the page, in effect the object will be moved relative to the page.

By @Laubender

Yes, you're right 🙂 but your reply sounded - to me - like you can move pages away from the Spread - and leave objects in the void 😉

[Peter Spier]

Well, Robert, one could use the Page Tool to move all objects on all selected pages in one go; document wide.

By @Laubender

I'm sorry, but I don't understand what do you mean?? You can't move objects - using Page Tool?

By @Robert at ID-Tasker

Suppose you want to move all content on all right hand pages half an inch to the left. Select all right pages and with the Page Tool move them half an inch to the right without moving the objects.

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

Suppose you want to move all content on all right hand pages half an inch to the left. Select all right pages and with the Page Tool move them half an inch to the right without moving the objects.

By @Peter Spier

Right ... so the first step would be to select all right pages, untick "move objects", move pages, tick "move objects back", move pages back?

[Peter Spier]

Suppose you want to move all content on all right hand pages half an inch to the left. Select all right pages and with the Page Tool move them half an inch to the right without moving the objects.

By @Peter Spier

Right ... so the first step would be to select all right pages, untick "move objects", move pages, tick "move objects back", move pages back?

By @Robert at ID-Tasker

That would be my interpretation. I'm not saying this is a good solution, just a possible scenario.

[Peter Spier]

Sorry, read too fast. I wouldn't move the page back, necessarily. You can, but I don't see it as a required step.

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

Sorry, read too fast. I wouldn't move the page back, necessarily. You can, but I don't see it as a required step.

By @Peter Spier

But then you'll have a gap between pages? 

Overall, your idea makes perfect sense... as long as you've 5-10 pages in the document 😉 with 100+ pages - there is a better solution 😉 especially, after this checkbox "discovery" 😉 which is also available through scripting. 

[Peter Spier]

Unless you have a crossover, there's no problem with having a gap between pages (and that was, after all, the requested condition in the original post).

My personal opinion is that the Page tool is dangerous and not the best way to separate pages in a spread, nor to shift page content. While it CAN be used for these tasks, I don't think it SHOULD be.

[Laubender]

Hi together,

when you move pages with the Page Tool you have the option that page contents will move along.

With the Page Tool active just go to the Control panel and check [x] Objects will be moved with the page*

That option is sticky.

* My translation from the options in German: "Objekte werden mit Seite verschoben".

Well. I did not make it to page 2 of this thread. So I did not see that Dave gave the right answer:

[x] Objects Move with Page.

Regards,
Uwe Laubender
( Adobe Community Expert )

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

@Alex32252670s8p0 

If you work on Windows, I can give you access to the full version of my ID-Tasker tool for free for a few days.

It will move pages and contents accordingly. (Looks like this part is no longer a problem - but the rest remains valid)

It can also "expand" frames of the objects to go into the bleed area. It won't add "information" - generative fill - but if the image is cropped - this extra part will be automatically shown.

[Laubender]

Hi @Alex32252670s8p0 ,

you asked:

[1] My question is this: can a document with side by side pages be dismantled and the pages separated, but leaving them on the same plane?

[2] The separation must only move the right and left pages away from each other along the horizontal axis.

My answers:

[1] Yes. Even with facing-pages documents without unchecking the facing pages option.

[2] Well, in a way, also yes with a facing-pages document.

For [1] without [2] just select the Page Tool and then head to the Pages panel and select all pages of one side of the spine.

Then use the Transform Tool to move all selected pages in the document up or down a bit more than the height of a single page. Important! To make that work you have to change the minimum distance to a spread's edge roughly by the double value of a page height + some extra millimeters. The move (vertical) mechanism of the Transform Panel needs some extra space with pages before executed.

When you aim at [1] and also [2] in one go, you could use the Page Tool; you have to select all the pages in the document with the keyboard shortcut for Select All. Then use the Transform Tool to skew all selected pages to an specific angle so that the spine will not be touched by both pages o the same spot in one spread. Still, even in that adventurous setup, PDF export will export the pages unskewed!

For all the methods outlined above:

Be aware, that objects should not cross the spine!

Regards,
Uwe Laubender
( Adobe Community Expert )

[Laubender]

Two sample documents linked from my Dropbox:

FacingPages_PagesSkewed.idml

FacingPages_OddPagesMoved.idml

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/5tbku33asvx8go8eqzkr1/FacingPages-do-not-touch-the-spine.zip?rlkey=5y...

Regards,
Uwe Laubender
( Adobe Community Expert )

[Peter Spier]

@Laubender I think you may have misinterpreted the originial intent of the question. My understanding is that any movement should be restricted to lef-right, no up-down, and only to great a gap to accomodate inside bleed.

But maybe I'm not understanding what you've suggested

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

Hi @Alex32252670s8p0 ,

you asked:

[1] My question is this: can a document with side by side pages be dismantled and the pages separated, but leaving them on the same plane?

[2] The separation must only move the right and left pages away from each other along the horizontal axis.

My answers:

[1] Yes. Even with facing-pages documents without unchecking the facing pages option.

[2] Well, in a way, also yes with a facing-pages document.

For [1] without [2] just select the Page Tool and then head to the Pages panel and select all pages of one side of the spine.

Then use the Transform Tool to move all selected pages in the document up or down a bit more than the height of a single page. Important! To make that work you have to change the minimum distance to a spread's edge roughly by the double value of a page height + some extra millimeters. The move (vertical) mechanism of the Transform Panel needs some extra space with pages before executed.

By @Laubender

As @Peter Spier mentioned - you can't move pages Horizontally:

Ony if you turn OFF Facing Pages, you can move Horizontally:

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

And, of course, Allow Document Pages to Shuffle option also needs to be unchecked - otherwise, turning OFF Facing Pages will convert document to single page spreads.

[rob day]

For all the methods outlined above:

Be aware, that objects should not cross the spine!

Hi Uwe, In case you missed my attached samples—when I prep for trimmed inside bindings like wire-o, I setup a Master for simple crossovers where there is no page gap. There still could be cases where there are crossovers and objects stopping at the inside edge where you would have to split the crossover (my B-Crossover).

Again, none of this is necessary for folded and gathered bindings where the facing pages are folded and any inside bleed would have to be removed with the imposition.

[rob day]

Hi @Alex32252670s8p0 , Sorry if I missed it, but how is your book being bound?

[Robert at ID-Tasker]

Hi @Alex32252670s8p0 , Sorry if I missed it, but how is your book being bound?

By @rob day

There is an image attached to the opening post - so your example is correct.

[rob day]

I can see how @Alex32252670s8p0  wants to set up the pages, but I’m wondering what the binding method will be? Saddle Stitch, Perfect binding, Wire-O, etc.?

Most binding wethods are folded and gathered no inside bleed. If an inside bleed is provided it gets removed when the pages are imposed.