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Why have Master pages in InDesign been renamed to Parent pages?

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October 29, 2021
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Words paint pictures that speak loudly. The use of words with racist, sexist, oppressive connotations, overtones, or history can make the reader feel hurt, traumatized, or unwelcome. With this in mind, non-inclusive content and reference imagery in Adobe's products are being replaced with those that reflect the company's core values of diversity and inclusion.

As part of this effort, in the latest version of InDesign (version 17.0), Master Pages have been renamed to Parent Pages within the application.

Do let us know if you need more information.

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Correct answer Preran

Hi all,

Thank you for your feedback and for sharing your opinions. We have read all your observations and shared them with the relevant team members. While we will keep this topic open for discussion, we urge you to maintain the decorum of this community by ensuring your adherence to its guidelines.

We encourage you to make any change requests or suggestions on the InDesign UserVoice forum https://indesign.uservoice.com for them to be priortized by the product team.

Thanks,

Preran

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I think this discussion has now run its course, and we can now lock it.

For those of you that want to continue this discussion, use the UserVoice link in the correct answer.

Thanks,

Preran

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defaultm3b57zmmeohy

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Why don't you work on making indesign more collaborative (everyone on team working on a doc at once). Google has this figured out. What if I don't know my parents and every time I hear that word it makes me feel a certain way. Would you change it? Probably not. Could have just called them letter and number pages to begin with.

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James Gifford—NitroPress

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Which is utterly meaningless.

But this topic has been interesting in disproving the idea that ID requires a certain IQ level. I'll have to remember it the next time a consulting client says ID's learning curve is too steep.

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thomasg88432121

Participating Frequently

So people with some common sense are dumb?

Thank you, I'm waiting for th next generation which will think your generation didn't go far enough. Have fund with your stupid inclusive language.

Quercus gambelii

Participant

I'm all for diversity and inclusion, but I'm also a strong supporter of common sense. The definition of the word master in this context means pages from which other pages are derived. It's an entirely neutral, accurate, and acceptable use of a common and well-understood English word with multiple definitions.

This kind of ill-conceived language policing is an affront to clear and unencumbered thinking. Adobe should concentrate on improving its software rather than imposing the wacky end of wokishness on perfectly acceptable and useful words.

Whether they're called master or parent pages makes little difference, but Holy Cow (no offense meant to religious people or exploited bovines intended), Adobe's stated rationale behind this terminology change is ridiculous.

terril50855497

Participant

No, more information is not needed that's all the stupidity we can handle for a day.

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hancoop45

Participating Frequently

... should've been using my sarcasm font ...

danpinho

Known Participant

Adobe in near future:

We are proud to announce we are renaming the color Black in the color pallet…

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hancoop45

Participating Frequently

... has no one pointed out that 'Parent' itself became un-PC many years ago ... Sorry, but you'll have to call them 'Parent/Guardian Pages' ...

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nckfryr

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The word "Master"? Honestly? Who in this day and age links that to slave master? I suppose things are going pretty well if we are reaching this deep to find a problem. Master's degrees, master bedroom, masterpiece, masterful, remastered, masterbuilder, mastermind, are all racist? I'm all for boycotting PowerPoint for being garbage. They're still using the term Master Slides.

I guess we can keep going down this path to be sure racism never dies.

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Matt Orr

Participating Frequently

Now I feel like my Judo master enslaved rather than led me on my journey to defensive enligtenment!

There's always context with words Adobe.....and sometimes multiple meanings too.....imagine that while politic-ing!

Are these the sort of listed 'new features' that we can now expect with our pre-PAID/deliver-later(maybe) subscriptions?

There's also the context of what Adobe SHOULD be focussed on......the new cut and paste from Ai to PS doesn't even work properly!

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moneill2

Participant

Gale force sigh.

Preran

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Community Manager

Hi all,

Thank you for your feedback and for sharing your opinions. We have read all your observations and shared them with the relevant team members. While we will keep this topic open for discussion, we urge you to maintain the decorum of this community by ensuring your adherence to its guidelines.

We encourage you to make any change requests or suggestions on the InDesign UserVoice forum https://indesign.uservoice.com for them to be priortized by the product team.

Thanks,

Preran

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GERALDINE M0101

Participant

i don't see how replacing "non-inclusive" terminology is going to enhance my work flow or further excel my skills in InDesign. Why compell users to accept language that we all know has nothing to do with negative connotations. I aspire to reach Master-class level in all I do. Are we all suppose to dumb down our vocabulary for the sake of maybe sparing someone's feelings? Have you ever had your Fine Arts Masters degree instructor criticize your work? Talk about brutality. Let's let go of the coddling and get to work on exceptional design.

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defaulthb7kt31ayc0f

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Excellent!

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Mike Bro

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Hello @Preran,

I have a very important question, how is this change going to affect the InDesign ExtendScript API (17.0) when released??

Are all the references to anything "Master" being updated to "Parent"?

Regards,

Mike

Geоrge

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I think we will have broken all the old scripts with a "master".

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