P: Edit/Sync Photo changes the Capture Time.

[Cameron Braun]

I use Lightroom for culling through wedding photos, and as of yesterday's update, any time I increase or decrease the rating of an image (or apply any other kind of edit) it will add 4 hours to the capture time, therefore sending that photo to a random place later in the collection, only for me to find it again as I'm moving through. In fact, it just happened twice, as I edited a photo that had already been changed, and it added 4 more. What in the world??? This could prove to be exceptionally annoying.

Photos are syncing.

LR version 14.1

MacOS 14.7.1

M1 Max

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

I am unable to duplicate this failure with the instructions provided.  Moving this post to Discussions for visibility. 

Exactly how are you "any time I increase or decrease the rating of an image (or apply any other kind of edit) " performing this action?

[JohanElzenga]

Do you sync these images to the cloud? I have found that editing itself does not change the capture time, but syncing to the cloud does. In my case it subtracted 4 hours, but that may be based on your time zone. A subsequent edit did not change it again, however.

[Cameron Braun]

I'm either using the ] keystroke in Loupe view, or the numeral keys to assign a certain number of stars. Although it seems to happen to some images and not others, while occassionally it adds 4 hours to an image that I simply open full size in Loupe view. It seems erratic, but it's always an even 4 hours. Reverting the Capture Time to Original will move the image(s) back to their proper place, but as I continue working more images get moved.

To be clear, this behavior is new since the 14.1 update.

[Cameron Braun]

Yes, it does seems to "happen" when the photo has finished syncing. LR Cloud Syncing is generally unbelievabley buggy, but this is a brand new one.

[JohanElzenga]

@Rikk Flohr: Photography Look at this, Rikk. An image and a virtual copy of the same image. The virtual copy is synced and shows a capture time that has shifted 4 hours. The capture time of the base image is correct.

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

Thanks for the additional info, @JohanElzenga 

[Cameron Braun]

What's really odd is that it seems to be modifying the original time stamp, and yet, using "Revert Capture Time to Original" will reset it. Here's an example of the incorrect time, followed by the corrected time using the Menu command.

[JohanElzenga]

That's not odd if you are using the same method with a virtual copy that is synced. The capture time of the Original photo has not changed, so selecting the virtual copy and choosing 'Revert Capture Time to Original' does exactly what you'd expect it do do. It resets the wrong capture time of the virtual copy to the correct capture time of the original.

[Cameron Braun]

I have the originals syncing, not just virtual copies. It's modifying the time stamp so that even where it says "Original Time" in the dialog box it's displaying as the new time, despite the fact that Reverting will change it back to the actual original time.

[Cameron Braun]

@Rikk Flohr: Photography It's worth noting that if I pause syncing, I do not see this phenomenon. Once restarting syncing, it will update the modified images with new times.

[JohanElzenga]

Maybe I misunderstand what you are trying to show here. When you invoke that dialog box, the current capture time will be displayed. So if you have used 'Revert to original' before you invoke this dialog, then the dialog will show the correct time.

[JohanElzenga]

I just tried what happens if I make a small edit on an image that was synced a long time ago, so where the initial sync was not with Lightroom Classic 14.1, but with an earlier version. In that case there is no change in capture time when the sync is finished.

[Cameron Braun]

I'm sorry it was unclear. Typically when you manually change the time of an image (say, to sync two cameras to each other), that dialog box will show the "Original Time" above the corrected time. The two will be different. In this case, I'm seeing the Original time listed as the time that Lightroom has automatically applied, and the original and corrected times match, despite the fact that neither of them are indeed the original time in the RAW file.

Does that make more sense?

[Oliver Andrews]

Same issue here. Syncing photos to the cloud changes the capture time. I revert the capture time, it resyncs and changes it again. I should've just stayed on v13.

[Armand Jacobs Photo]

Hi.

I'd like to report the exact same problem here since I updated to 14.1 yesterday.
I am processing a wedding and before the update i never encountered the problem. SInce yesterday most of the photos I edit get a -2h on the hour field (and therefore move within the collection ordered by capture time...)
Given the different time shift that pepople have been reporting i suppose the bug put the photo to GMT+0.
This is really annoying and time consuming to edit the photo afterward to correct the time.
Please adobe fix this asap.

[Oliver Andrews]

I'm not sure it's GMT offset related, the photos I was syncing were taken during BST, so GMT+1, but it initially changed them by 12 hours, then each time I reverted the capture time it changed them by an hour less. So a photo taken at 10am first changed to 10pm, then 9pm, then 8pm.

[tilmans507525]

Same here... I have some images which have now drifted by a few days through cumulative shifts. Maybe I need to change the time in the opposite direction, and then when it sync, it corrects itself back to the right time

[JohanElzenga]

I'm sorry it was unclear. Typically when you manually change the time of an image (say, to sync two cameras to each other), that dialog box will show the "Original Time" above the corrected time. The two will be different. In this case, I'm seeing the Original time listed as the time that Lightroom has automatically applied, and the original and corrected times match, despite the fact that neither of them are indeed the original time in the RAW file.

Does that make more sense?

By @Cameron Braun

No it does not, because I think this is as it always was. Here's the orginal image I posted earlier. Remember that this image was not involved in the problem in any way! I changed the capture time from 13:12:31 to 23:12:31, just as a test. Next I invoked the menu again, and that is the screenshot below. As you can see, both the Original Time and the Corrected Time are the same (wrong time) in the dialog (I did not change the Corrected Time yet). The Original Time is not 13:12:31 as I understand you are suggesting it would be. Anyway, I don't think it matters much what this dialog looks like. What matters is that time shift with synced photos.

[JohanElzenga]

Given the different time shift that pepople have been reporting i suppose the bug put the photo to GMT+0.

By @Armand Jacobs Photo

I don't think it is. I am in Netherlands, so at GMT+1. The images were taken while daylight saving time was still on, so at GMT+2. The time shift I see is -4 hours, however.

[tilmans507525]

It is incremental for me. I have a few pictures which are in an endless loop... I touch the picture, it gets sync'ed, time shifts by 5 hours... now it has changed, and it will eventually sync again, presumably to sync the new time stamp... another 5 hours added... and so on forever... I have some pictures which had moved by two weeks before I finally turned off sync'ing altogether

[Armand Jacobs Photo]

Thanks for your feedback on my (wrong) hypothesis.
I am in France (daylight saving time right now but not when the photos were taken) and the sync has been systematically removing 2h on my pictures so far.
I suspended the synchronisation in order to stop this hell for now. I hope It can be fixed without having to manually change the time on half of my photos for i will have to resume the sync at some point (even if clearly not for now)...  

[JohanElzenga]

Daylight saving time is what is often called 'Summer time'. So in all of Europe we are not at daylight saving time right now.

[JohanElzenga]

It seems we all see the same problem, but in different ways. I see a 4 hours shift, but for me that only happens once. Subsequent edits do not make the time shift any further. I wonder if the kind of edit has something to do with that as well...

[Armand Jacobs Photo]

You are right. My bad, I was thinking about "winter time" that occured at the end of October but got it all wrong.
Nontheless, I still have a -2 hours time shift on my pictures whenever they sync 😞

[Rangali]

I'm having exactly the same issue. Some pictures are in an endless loop and are getting set to some hours again and again. Had to switch off cloud sync completely before destroying my whole catalog.