P: Preset applying when advancing images rapidly via arrow key.

[tombalazs]

Have had 2 issues for about a year that have not been fixed despite support calls.

Issue 1: Creating a Virtual Copy in Develop Module or Library Loupe View, while MULTIPLE images are selected, will create the virtual copy and also advance to the next image instead of keeping the new virtual copy selected. Ex if I create a virtual copy of image #80, it will create #81 as the virtual copy, but then automaatically advance to select and show image #82 in the edit window. 

Issue 2: When advancing through the timeline in Develop Module using the keyboard arrow keys, if you advance too quickly the image you advance to will adopt the previous image's editing preset. 

Both problems happen in multiple catalogs. You can see the screen recording below for examples of each. 

[jeninejessica]

I can't tell what is causing this glitch. 

Using LR Classic, looks like 12.1?  iMac running Ventura. 

My standard process- edit all photos in the gallery. Select all, create virtual copy. Then I sync/paste my B&W edit on to all of these virtual copies. Then I go through and tweak each one. 

LR has on and off started a weird glitch- I edit photo and then press the side arrow on my computer to advance to the next B&W image. It shows B&W in the bar at the bottom, but once it loads, it ADDS one of my presets on top of it, without me clicking anything. I can see in the history the "Create virtual copies", then "Paste Settings", and then "Preset: XXX". .... But I never clicked the preset button. 

Any idea why it's doing this? It doesn't do it on every photo, but probably 75% of the time? And I think only when I arrow button over to the next, not if I select it with my mouse. Something to do with the sync? 

[Sean McCormack]

Is Auto Sync turned on? 

[jeninejessica]

I had to go back and check (I am very new to using sync) but no I don't believe so. The sync button is greyed out, but also not every image that I had originally synced does this, nor does it actually apply the edits that I do to every photo. 

I created virtual copy and applied a B&W edit to all via sync. It shows correctly in the bottom panel. But then when I arrow over to select the photo, it auto applies one of my color edits. The rest of the photos remain the same. 

I did trouble shoot a bit last night at it does *not* do it when I select a photo, only when I arrow over. AND only when I arrow over quickly- if I pause briefly on the original (non virtual copy) image, then it doesn't apply the colour edit. 

[Sean McCormack]

If you hover over any preset, it will preview in the main window., but it shouldn't happen while hovering on a thumbnail in the filmstrip. 

Is it possible to see a screen video capture of the issue? Quicktime Player will allow you to do a screen recording. File>New Screen Recording

[jeninejessica]

Ok in this clip, the first change between photos it did it (auto applied All my love), and then the next switch did not do it, and then the third switch between photos it again auto applied. You can see that my mouse didn't move or hover near the presets. I was using the right arrow key to switch to the nezt photo (two over) in the develop strip. 

[Sean McCormack]

It's still hard to tell what's going on. Removing History only clears the history of settings changes, and doesn't remove a step. You have to click a History step to go back to it. If you have a bunch of images with a preset applied, usually it's because multiple images were selected when a preset was applied in Library's Quick Develop, Auto Sync was on in Develop with many images selected. It may also have been selected as part of import. It's possible that the preview for an applied preset isn't updated immediately and you're seeing it as it updates, but I'm not seeing enough here to have a proper clue. 

[jeninejessica]

Yeah I had to cut the video because of the max upload size. 

I get what you're saying about perhaps the preview just not showing accurately, however it never does this if I simply mouse click on the image. It *only* does it if i use the keyboard arrows to quickly navigate to the new image. 

Every single black and white image was also synced at the same time, so if they were auto syncing, they should ALL be doing it, not just the ones that I click over to quickly, and it should do it when I mouse click on the image as well, you know? 

Now that I know I just need to use the side arrow slower, it's fine. But I still wish I understood WHY it was doing it. 

[drtonyb]

In your video, the "All my love" preset is being selected. How is that happening?

[jeninejessica]

This is what I'm saying. Clearly my mouse isn't moving. It's auto applying it somehow/for some reason. But only under certain conditions. Only on virtual copies. Only if I use the keyboard to navigate, and only if I do so quickly without stopping at the middle image briefly. 

[Bob Somrak]

I can not duplicate the preset issue but if I use the arrow keys to cursor through the filmstrip quickly some of the photos will have a "White Balance: As Shot" history step applied.  There is another thread I will have to find that has the white balance issue.  

Found it

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/white-balance-information-added-to-hist...

[Sean McCormack]

This sounds like it's either a bug, or a Preferences issue at this stage. I know Bob has posted a link to something that seems similar, but it may be woryh resetting preferences. You should back up preferences first in case it doesn't work, so you can get back to how you like Lightroom more easily. 

https://helpx.adobe.com/ie/lightroom-classic/help/setting-preferences-lightroom.html

[Bob Somrak]

This appears to be a BUG.

There is another thread on this

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/lr-keeps-auto-applying-a-preset-when-i-...

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

I have not been able to replicate this with the instructions provided.  @Bob Somrak  I cannot replicate the behavior you are seeing either. 

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

Regarding Item 2: I cannot replicate with the instructions or after watching the video. 

Regarding Item 1: I am not convinced this is a bug or at least not the bug you think it is. As a test try the same workflow you demonstrate in your video (select 3 and create VCs (via KBSC?)-that wasn't clear in the video) - but do it in Grid mode in the Library Module. It behaves correctly there on my end. Filmstrip in Develop is not designed to work across multiple images without Autosync enabled - at least not the same behavior as Grid. I wonder if the actual bug here is that creating multiple VCs via Filmstrip is not supposed to work but is and is causing the difference in behavior.  Can you confirm the behavior you are seeing in Grid?

Thanks for the video. It makes it much clearer what you are attempting.   

[jeninejessica]

As an update- I've determined it appears to be grabbing the preset from the immediately proceeding photo. Whatever preset I had applied to that photo, it will auto apply ONLY if I use the arrow keys to move "right right" quickly towards the photo I want in the film strip.  ie if I move really quickly using the arrows from 125, 126, 127 and then stop on 127- it will auto apply whatever base preset I have on 126. Not the rest of the edits, just the preset.

No syncing was done at all in this current batch. 

[tombalazs]

Hi Rikk. The bug for the VC's happens in Develop Module, and in Loupe View in Grid Mode, ONLY when using KBSC. To clearify, dating back to LR v3 (when I first started using LR), when multiple images are selected in develop mode or Loupe View Grid Mode, it would always create the VC of the image you currently have active within the group of selected images, and then make the VC the active image in the edit window. Not until last year did the annommaly start where the active image VC is created, but then auto-advances to the following image, not the VC. I am not attempting to create a VC for every image within the seleciton, just the active image. So I hope this helps, I'd be happy to go into more detail if needed. I just updated to v12.3 of LR Classic and is still an issue. 

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

I was able to replicate the unexpected Preset Application using Arrow keys today and have logged it with the team.  It took many attempts but if the arrow is fast enough it can be replicated.

Update:
We are no longer able to reproduce this on our end. To those on this thread, do you still see the issue in 13.1?

[Arthur Edwards]

When I go through photos using the arrow keys, consistantly but randomly, presets will begin to be applied to photos and I cycle through. It is usually a preset applied to a photo that gets carried over to the next photo and the next and the next. I cant seem to find any discussion about this being an issue anywhere else; it feels like a bug, but is there a setting that might have gotten changed that would force this action. 

[jeninejessica]

I haven't noticed it happening recently but I'm actually editing tonight so I sat and tried to purposely see if I could recreate and no issues- looks like maybe it's fixed!

[MeCody]

I am currently having the same vitrual copy "auto-advancing" issue as you through multiple LrC versions, and multiple MacOS updates as well. I'm on an M1 Mac running Ventura 13.6.9 and LrC 13.5 (most current of both as of today.) Did you ever end up having luck with this issue? Or just the automatic preset one?

Thanks!

[MeCody]

Hello, I am currently running LrC 13.5 on a M1 Mac Studio with Ventura 13.6.9 (most recent LrC and Most current Ventura release as of today), and I am still encountering the "auto-advance on vitrual copy" issue. If I have more than one photo selected, and I create a virtual copy from "Develop" or ""Loupe", the selected photo auto-advances, and I have to use the left-arrow after each virtual copy I create. I have managed to re-create it for a screen recording here: Screen Recording 2024-08-02 at 06.32.22 - lightroom virtual copy bug.mov