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creating groups of keywords

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May 5, 2021
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I am trying to learn about keywording. I have lists of keywords for people and also for other objects.

I realise that it is much easier to create groupings of keywords for people or thing that commonly go together as this facilitates loading it into the metadata.

As I would am preparing to create a number of these groupings, it would be easier if they were all together in some place where I can select them..So far I have not found such a solution It seems that with people grouping they are placed in the same list as the individual identifiers.. I have therefore been exploring using names like the beginnin of the telephone directory such as aaamyfirs group. This seems very clumsy and I would like advice on how to solve this problem.

Thanks

Terence

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Correct answer Rob_Cullen

I apologies for the misspelling of your name

Terence

the number of identified photos

You must first identify, and show in Grid View, ALL photos with the 'wrong' KW, by clicking on the white arrow that appears at the end of a KW.

Then press [Ctrl +A] to be sure you select all that you want to 'convert' to the 'correct' KW. Other than that I am not sure why you see a difference.

No Name apology needed! My son indroduced my nik-name when he called me "Wobert the Wave Rat" (paddled a surf-ski with that brand at the time).

Robert Cullen 🙂

@MNiessenPhoto

Legend

Hi,

You can have keywords inside keywords, thus effectively acting like folders and subfolders, and for each keyword the possibility to uncheck the "include on export" option.

Personally, I have ~what, ~when, ~where, ~who, etc... as main categories (I always use ~ in front of keywords/folders that are just for organizing and will not be exported).

~what is further subdivided into ~objects, ~animals, ~vegetation, and so on... Within animals I have among others birds (it is exported, so no ~) and within it pigeon, hawk, sparrow,...

Now, for assigning groups of keywords at once (or quickly), there are a few options. You can create keywords sets (in the Library's keywording panel) containing up to 9 keywords each. Just open one of those and you'll have butttons for the corresponding 9 keywords. Quite useful, as is also the "Painter" option in the toolbar (type one or more keywords and then "spray paint" them on the pictures). And of course, you can also create metadata presets that contain keyword sets for specific topics.

Hope that helps,

Michael

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Photo-editing (Ps/Lr/LrC) and photography workshops & one-on-one training (off- and online)

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sockitAuthor

Inspiring

Michael Thanks for that pointer.. My needs are pretty simple so Cateories; like Cities, Countries, Events Places are pretty much all I can think of at this time. As I have explained to Wobert I have classified these not as persons but as "Others" though currently don't know how to handle them. One issueI have not figured out iw that making these independent of each other allowse me to have a London in every country but in reality for my purpose it is in the UK Can I therefore in the City list write London,UK. So that the two categories are locked tothether for that entry? or does it come from creating a group description for London as a separate identifier at the top as Wobert has it.? I realise that the classification really is really Continent,Country, City and that Cities should not be separated as I have done. There is another line of questioning that I should raise.. The descriptors are all related to the objects being photographed. Do you every use descriptors about the purpose/ business pleasure political etc etc? This is obviously a big subject and probably people used separate catalogues for different purposes.

Thanks

Terence

@MNiessenPhoto

Legend

Hi,

For me, London should be inside UK. Actually, this is how I have it:

Some might think it's over the top, but for me it's very useful, which in the end is the only thing that matters.

How specific you want to be is really up to you, but I would argue it's best practice to avoid "London, UK" because those are two different entities, one inside the other. When I assign the keyword London to a picture, it automatically gets England, Great Britain, and so on up the hierarchy, which means I can easily find all pictures at any level.

Now, let's assume you tag pictures from the village of London, France. It's the same name but it's obviously not the same place, so IMO it shouldn't share the same keyword. And thus, why have them at the same level to begin with?

Having London below UK and another London below France, you could easily filter pictures in specific ways. One method would be clicking on the little arrow to the right of the respective London.

Another is using the text search, for instance with keywords contain all and, as text:

- London to see pictures from all places called London (there are quite a few)

- London UK for only the capital city

- London !UK for all places called London except the capital city (the ! is used as negation)

As for business, pleasure, political, etc... Why not, if you need them and/or if they help you find what you need faster. I personally don't use them, but ~where, I have ~events, which contains party, concert, conference,... and ~concept with business, among others.

In the end, it all comes down to how much time you want to spend keywording vs the benefits they bring you, I guess.

I've been using Lightroom since version 2, 12 years ago, and I still occasionnally tweak my keywords hierarchy depending on my evolving needs. So don't worry if you don't get it right at first, you can always make changes.

Michael

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Michael Niessen - Photographer, photo-editor, educator

Photo-editing (Ps/Lr/LrC) and photography workshops & one-on-one training (off- and online)

Rob_Cullen

Community Expert

I use the Groups like Who, What, Where, etc- (I slip up occasionally with an extra one in the 'parent' list!

I have one 'Parent' group dedicated to any new KW that does not match an existing KW- It will automatically be added to this Group-

("#NEW KEYWORDS" appears at the top of the list because @#$% characters sort before ABCD characters.)

And I have nominated the "WHO#" group to be for all keywords marked as 'Person' KWs.

Regards. My System: Windows-11, Lightroom-Classic 15.0, Photoshop 27.0, ACR 18.0, Lightroom 9.0, Lr-iOS 10.4.0, Bridge 16.0 .

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sockitAuthor

Inspiring

Hi Wobert. Thanks that is clearly the key to the problem I really appreciate your help. I have made the Whats and Wheres classify not as persons but as Others. However there is not much written about that group. I cannot find a separated display for that grouping so they are out there somewhere and I have not yet figured out how to deal with them. You seem to treat them as persons in that list is that correct? What is the point of the "Others"?

Thanks

Terence

kentdesign

Community Expert

HI, GOing to try to figure that one out - I have never found a solution to date!

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