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creating groups of keywords

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May 5, 2021
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I am trying to learn about keywording. I have lists of keywords for people and also for other objects.

I realise that it is much easier to create groupings of keywords for people or thing that commonly go together as this facilitates loading it into the metadata.

As I would am preparing to create a number of these groupings, it would be easier if they were all together in some place where I can select them..So far I have not found such a solution It seems that with people grouping they are placed in the same list as the individual identifiers.. I have therefore been exploring using names like the beginnin of the telephone directory such as aaamyfirs group. This seems very clumsy and I would like advice on how to solve this problem.

Thanks

Terence

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Correct answer Rob_Cullen

I apologies for the misspelling of your name

Terence

the number of identified photos

You must first identify, and show in Grid View, ALL photos with the 'wrong' KW, by clicking on the white arrow that appears at the end of a KW.

Then press [Ctrl +A] to be sure you select all that you want to 'convert' to the 'correct' KW. Other than that I am not sure why you see a difference.

No Name apology needed! My son indroduced my nik-name when he called me "Wobert the Wave Rat" (paddled a surf-ski with that brand at the time).

Robert Cullen 🙂

@MNiessenPhoto

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Hi,

You can have keywords inside keywords, thus effectively acting like folders and subfolders, and for each keyword the possibility to uncheck the "include on export" option.

Personally, I have ~what, ~when, ~where, ~who, etc... as main categories (I always use ~ in front of keywords/folders that are just for organizing and will not be exported).

~what is further subdivided into ~objects, ~animals, ~vegetation, and so on... Within animals I have among others birds (it is exported, so no ~) and within it pigeon, hawk, sparrow,...

Now, for assigning groups of keywords at once (or quickly), there are a few options. You can create keywords sets (in the Library's keywording panel) containing up to 9 keywords each. Just open one of those and you'll have butttons for the corresponding 9 keywords. Quite useful, as is also the "Painter" option in the toolbar (type one or more keywords and then "spray paint" them on the pictures). And of course, you can also create metadata presets that contain keyword sets for specific topics.

Hope that helps,

Michael

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sockitAuthor

Inspiring

p.s. Michael. I am still figuring out the Keywording Panel. I was wondering whether they can be used for creating different combinations of participants such as Joe,Mary,Allen,Fred Joe,Allen Mary Fred etc

I am fighing with the fact tha Lightroom can't handle negativess in its face recognition, and I am therefore trying to do it manually.. Also can I create any number of panels like this?

Thanks

Terence

Rob_Cullen

Community Expert

HI Michael I would really like to thank you and Wobert for your kind help. Everything is becoming sorted and I am now testing it on the catalogue. I have followed your advice on the names of people. It was easy to do and does make it easier to work with related groups. Is there any way of collapsing misspelt names into the correct one. It is embarrassing to see my typing mistakes preservved as a subset underneath the correct one? I am interested in how you use stock keywords and attributes. You have some very ways of sorting your images.Though I would understand if you don't want to divulge them. I still haven't seen the people keyword in my "ALL" list I think my early use of the "people" and "other" sorting seems to have just eliminated it. However it doesn't matter as I keep the two lists separate. I use as far as possible using face recognition to load the People list..except for using a manual system to identify people in the negatives. I am hoping that this will be exported in the usual way. The main thing is that the system is useable and solid. Thanks you you and Woberth.

Terence

collapsing misspelt names into the correct one

Using the Keyword List panel, you should see both the correct and the misspelt names, like this-

To correct this, I select ALL the files with the 'wrong' keyword and check (place a tick) in the 'correct' KW- (so files now have both wrong & correct KWs)

Then I remove the photos from the 'wrong' KW by unchecking-

Finally I [Delete] the wrong KW, and the selected files now have the 'correct' KW.

Terence, the headers in the KW List [All People Other] are simply a Filter option. They are not separate lists of KWs. They are NOT Keywords.

'All' shows you all KWs

'People' filters to show you only KWs that have the [Person] attribute checked 'on'.

'Other' shows you only KWs that do NOT have the [Person] attribute checked 'on'.

Regards. My System: Windows-11, Lightroom-Classic 15.0, Photoshop 27.0, ACR 18.0, Lightroom 9.0, Lr-iOS 10.4.0, Bridge 16.0 .

Rob_Cullen

Community Expert

I use the Groups like Who, What, Where, etc- (I slip up occasionally with an extra one in the 'parent' list!

I have one 'Parent' group dedicated to any new KW that does not match an existing KW- It will automatically be added to this Group-

("#NEW KEYWORDS" appears at the top of the list because @#$% characters sort before ABCD characters.)

And I have nominated the "WHO#" group to be for all keywords marked as 'Person' KWs.

Regards. My System: Windows-11, Lightroom-Classic 15.0, Photoshop 27.0, ACR 18.0, Lightroom 9.0, Lr-iOS 10.4.0, Bridge 16.0 .

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sockitAuthor

Inspiring

Hi Wobert. Thanks that is clearly the key to the problem I really appreciate your help. I have made the Whats and Wheres classify not as persons but as Others. However there is not much written about that group. I cannot find a separated display for that grouping so they are out there somewhere and I have not yet figured out how to deal with them. You seem to treat them as persons in that list is that correct? What is the point of the "Others"?

Thanks

Terence

kentdesign

Community Expert

HI, GOing to try to figure that one out - I have never found a solution to date!

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