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Fujifanatik
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June 5, 2023
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How to preserve camera settings while adding develop tweaks on RAW import

  • June 5, 2023
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Good day

During the RAW file import process I would like to preserve camera settings ( eg film simulations ) while adding basic user tweaks such as sharpening, and noise reduction. LR Preset Settings seems to allow one or the other, but not both. Is there a way to do this? 

The objective is to provide a startpoint for RAW editing  which reflects as far as possible the camera's high quality jpg file output.

Camera: Fujifilm X-T5 

OS: Windows

Grateful for your ideas

Thanks

Nick 

 

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Correct answer JohanElzenga
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Good day

During the RAW file import process I would like to preserve camera settings ( eg film simulations ) while adding basic user tweaks such as sharpening, and noise reduction. LR Preset Settings seems to allow one or the other, but not both. Is there a way to do this? 

The objective is to provide a startpoint for RAW editing  which reflects as far as possible the camera's high quality jpg file output.

Camera: Fujifilm X-T5 

OS: Windows

Grateful for your ideas

Thanks

Nick 

 


By @Fujifanatik



Actually, Lightroom does offer you the option to add two presets at import. The way to do this is as follows: set one of the presets as the camera default in Preferences - Presets, and set the other preset in the import dialog as develop preset to be applied on import.

 

 

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Fujifanatik
FujifanatikAuthor
New Participant
June 12, 2023
  • Folks I'd like to thank everyone who replied to my original post and apologise for the delay in acknowledging your input. First, you'll notice a name change from OP "Nikonvert" to "Fujifanatic".

"We" are one and the same. I haven't shot Nikon in a decade - an update was long overdue. 
Back to the original query: I should have been more specific in acknowledging that the exact Fuji film simulations can't be imported into LR in RAW, but LR certainly can auto set Adobe's version of these simulations. As some have pointed out, these are not identical to Fuji's but I find many of them accurate enough as a start point for RAW editing. 
I found Adobe's explanations of how to auto apply their version of simulations whilst also adding custom NR and sharpening on import confusing. 
With input from some of you and Mark Godfrey from the Fuji X Aus FB group the solution proved quite straightforward. 
In the list of presets there's a 'default' group and in that group there's a  'camera settings' preset. 
1. Select the camera settings pre-set for a RAW photo youve imported

2. Make any other changes you want in the develop module eg NR, sharpening and save it as a new pre-set but DO NOT tick treatment and profile.

3. Set this as the import pre-set. 
With this method I was able to preserve the auto application of Adobe's versions of the Fuji film simulations and add my own ISO adaptive adjustments for NR and Sharpening on import.  To be clear it was only necessary to do this for one film simulation. LR then correctly applied the changes, and my enhancements, across all the many Fuji film simulations. 

Again, thanks for your interest. 

Nick. 

 

 

 

J
Jao vdL
Adobe Expert
June 12, 2023
quote
In the list of presets there's a 'default' group and in that group there's a  'camera settings' preset. 
1. Select the camera settings pre-set for a RAW photo youve imported

2. Make any other changes you want in the develop module eg NR, sharpening and save it as a new pre-set but DO NOT tick treatment and profile.

3. Set this as the import pre-set. 


By @Fujifanatik

 

You should be able to simplify this even further by changing the default for newly imported raws to "camera settings". This is done in Preferences->Presets. Set the global setting to "camera settings". This will Lightroom try to emulate the in camera settings for many cameras. Not perfect but "close enough" ;-). This was what @GoldingD suggested above. You can also change it to the preset changes you suggest above.

    TheDigitalDog
    TheDigitalDog
    Inspiring
    June 5, 2023

    Worth viewing (some) of the comments here:

    https://community.adobe.com/t5/camera-raw-ideas/p-film-emulation-presets-and-profiles/idi-p/13824756

    Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management/pluralsight"
    JohanElzenga
    JohanElzengaCorrect answer
    Adobe Expert
    June 5, 2023
    quote

    Good day

    During the RAW file import process I would like to preserve camera settings ( eg film simulations ) while adding basic user tweaks such as sharpening, and noise reduction. LR Preset Settings seems to allow one or the other, but not both. Is there a way to do this? 

    The objective is to provide a startpoint for RAW editing  which reflects as far as possible the camera's high quality jpg file output.

    Camera: Fujifilm X-T5 

    OS: Windows

    Grateful for your ideas

    Thanks

    Nick 

     


    By @Fujifanatik



    Actually, Lightroom does offer you the option to add two presets at import. The way to do this is as follows: set one of the presets as the camera default in Preferences - Presets, and set the other preset in the import dialog as develop preset to be applied on import.

     

     

    -- Johan W. Elzenga
    Keith Reeder
    Keith Reeder
    Participating Frequently
    June 5, 2023

    "I would like to preserve camera settings ( eg film simulations )"

     

    Short answer - you can't. 

     

    Lr will try to emulate some - basic - in-camera settings, but film simulation is not one of them.

      john beardsworth
      john beardsworth
      Adobe Expert
      June 5, 2023
      quote

      "I would like to preserve camera settings ( eg film simulations )"

       

      Short answer - you can't. 

       

      Lr will try to emulate some - basic - in-camera settings, but film simulation is not one of them.


      By @Keith Reeder



      So what are these?

      In other words, that's wrong. These are the camera-matching profiles for Fuji cameras and their "film simulations"

       

      For how to set these up as a default, see GoldingD's answer.

        Keith Reeder
        Keith Reeder
        Participating Frequently
        June 5, 2023

        Yes, Fuji is a special case in that they understandably chose the term "film simulations" for their built-in picture style settings. The OP asked about preserving camera settings and that is what those camera-matching profiles attempt to do, if only for the styles rather than sharpening.

         

        Whether the profiles and Fuji's film simulations accurate replicate Fuji film on analog cameras is somewhat irrelevant to the OP's question (who knows if they have ever used film?). But in case you really do believe that there are no Kodachrome emulations anywhere, may I recommend Google? No $hortage out there.


        Not what the OP asked for, is it?

         

        He wants Fuji's in-camera film simulations, and Lr doesn't support that.

         

        (Yes, I should have said something along the lines of "Lr will try to emulate some - camera settings, but in-camera film simulations is not one of them", but the underlying jist of my post is right. Lr can't apply OEM camera simulations.)

        TheDigitalDog
        TheDigitalDog
        Inspiring
        June 5, 2023

        Most camera settings are to produce a JPEG. Raw is raw and has none. The camera settings are proprietary too. They are used in the camera to take a raw (whether you ask for one or not) to render the JPEG which you see on the back of the camera and in the initial previews until Lightroom Classic has to produce its unique previews. 

        There are camera matching profiles from Adobe for some cameras, but this does not guarantee a match to the proprietary JPEG built in your camera. 

        When you shoot raw, only the exposure (aperture and shutter) plus ISO affect the raw. All other settings do not. 

        https://community.adobe.com/t5/camera-raw-ideas/p-support-for-canon-cr3-camera-matching-profiles/idi-p/12221107

        Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management/pluralsight"
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