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LR3 Slow Rendering

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June 13, 2010
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Just thought id post this up.. see if anyone else is having probs.. everytime i make an image adj, esp in the basic tab the image only fully renders if i zoom into it.. this is getting on my nerves now.. and also they seem to have removed the really close magnification on the zoom.. another feature missed for me.

PLSPLSPLS Adobe...

Continual rendering or atleast the option..

And the super zoom back.

Aaaaathankingyou.

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Tim Mooney

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Slow and no rendering see my newer post ???

help

http://forums.adobe.com/thread/747903?tstart=0

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glxavier

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I'm having the same problem as you. Have you have it solved? Thanks!

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SebaWolf_7

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Fixed /or not/ in LR 3.3RC ?

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Freedomphotography

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Ok, I am holding my breath here, but I think this issue may be fixed in the 3.3 update... I have tried several different screen sizes and so far things are running smoothly. I have thought several other times that it was fixed with it just to flare up again so I am not fully convinced but so far so good. I will post another update in a couple days if every thing is still running smoothly.

Matt

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JayS_In_CT

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Freedomphotography wrote:
Ok, I am holding my breath here, but I think this issue may be fixed in the 3.3 update... I have tried several different screen sizes and so far things are running smoothly. I have thought several other times that it was fixed with it just to flare up again so I am not fully convinced but so far so good. I will post another update in a couple days if every thing is still running smoothly.
Matt
Freedom Photography

Matt,

Good to hear. I'm downloading the RC today and will try here on 24" Dell as well. Will be good to get whatever screen real estate I want, back.

Jay S.

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JayS_In_CT

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All,

I just installed the 3.2 Release Candidate and the issue stills exists with editing and getting the less than fully rendered result. I would suggest folks report this via the bug report associated with the 3.2 release so that Adobe remains aware.

Jay S.

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JLai81

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Wanted to bump this thread as I'm experiencing the same problem on a 24" iMac.

It seems to be only affecting the picture when I'm in "fit' mode.

Is there a solution? Its getting annoying having to zoom in and out after every change.

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JayS_In_CT

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JLai81 wrote:
Wanted to bump this thread as I'm experiencing the same problem on a 24" iMac.
It seems to be only affecting the picture when I'm in "fit' mode.
Is there a solution? Its getting annoying having to zoom in and out after every change.

I reported it, but helps if you do as well. I've also had conversations with Dan Tull about the issue.

Jay S.

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Jao vdL

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Knock wood, but the fuzziness appears to be gone in the LR 3.2 RC that

was just posted

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Thomas_McConville

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Ive just installed LR3 on a Mac Pro, the problems Im encountering are soft full size previews in Library and Develop modules, I cant work with this app like this, please Adobe fix it asap, love you!

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JayS_In_CT

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Thomas McConville wrote:
Ive just installed LR3 on a Mac Pro, the problems Im encountering are soft full size previews in Library and Develop modules, I cant work with this app like this, please Adobe fix it asap, love you!

Thomas,

What resolution is the external monitor at? If you try a "lesser" resolution (under 1920) does the issue go away?

Jay S.

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Thomas_McConville

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Jay, ive only had it at my highest resolution 1920x1200, I'll try a lower res when I get home.

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JayS_In_CT

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Si Guy aka Rayeza wrote:
Just thought id post this up.. see if anyone else is having probs.. everytime i make an image adj, esp in the basic tab the image only fully renders if i zoom into it.. this is getting on my nerves now.. and also they seem to have removed the really close magnification on the zoom.. another feature missed for me.
PLSPLSPLS Adobe...
Continual rendering or atleast the option..

And the super zoom back.
Aaaaathankingyou.

I think this thread has morphed into describing two different issues. I believe the OP post describes the issue where after making an adjustment, the resulting image in the Develop window isn't fully rendered. You need to take some other action, zoom in/out, swtich between fill/fit, etc. to get it to come back (as illustrated by the collage of 3 images that was posted by Jao). Secondly, there seems to be an issue around NR and Sharpening not showing up. Perhaps we should split off the latter into a new thread. I think the initial issue is more related to the similar issues folks have with 1920x1200 (or other high res.) type monitors.

Jay S.

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Selby Shanly

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The problem of incomplete/soft/fuzzy rendering in Develop after changing a slider is still in 3.3RC. I have a 1920x1200 monitor and did some testing last night.

To keep it simple, I just changed the Brightness slider and did all tests with one image only in "Fit" mode. With Brightness the effect of the slider is obvious which allows the user to observe the change caused by the slider separate from whether or not the detail has been re-rendered.

Sometimes it worked - the brightness of the image changed and then the detail was resolved. Other times, the brightness of the image still changed, but the detail became soft and stayed soft. I tried walking away and came back over a minute later - still soft. Zooming to 1:1 fixes the problem within seconds (even on my elderly machine). After zooming 1:1 and back to Fit it then seems to work for the next 2 or 3 adjustments, but then breaks again. I couldn't find a real pattern but it did keep happening - no doubt about it.

Adobe acknowledged that this was a problem in 3.0, but it was reproduced by them too late to make 3.2. So it is an acknowledged bug. There is no mention of a fix in the release notes for 3.3RC, so perhaps we're supposed to infer that it still hasn't been fixed.

For those who encounter it, this bug makes working in Develop very difficult. Given that and the current confusion in the user community over whether or not it has been fixed, it would be most helpful if Adobe would simply say whether or not they believe that the problem has been fixed in 3.3RC.

Selby

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JayS_In_CT

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Selby Shanly wrote:
The problem of incomplete/soft/fuzzy rendering in Develop after changing a slider is still in 3.3RC. I have a 1920x1200 monitor and did some testing last night.
To keep it simple, I just changed the Brightness slider and did all tests with one image only in "Fit" mode. With Brightness the effect of the slider is obvious which allows the user to observe the change caused by the slider separate from whether or not the detail has been re-rendered.
Sometimes it worked - the brightness of the image changed and then the detail was resolved. Other times, the brightness of the image still changed, but the detail became soft and stayed soft. I tried walking away and came back over a minute later - still soft. Zooming to 1:1 fixes the problem within seconds (even on my elderly machine). After zooming 1:1 and back to Fit it then seems to work for the next 2 or 3 adjustments, but then breaks again. I couldn't find a real pattern but it did keep happening - no doubt about it.
Adobe acknowledged that this was a problem in 3.0, but it was reproduced by them too late to make 3.2. So it is an acknowledged bug. There is no mention of a fix in the release notes for 3.3RC, so perhaps we're supposed to infer that it still hasn't been fixed.
For those who encounter it, this bug makes working in Develop very difficult. Given that and the current confusion in the user community over whether or not it has been fixed, it would be most helpful if Adobe would simply say whether or not they believe that the problem has been fixed in 3.3RC.
Selby

Selby,

According to Dan Tull the fix was included, but just didn't make the list. I've tried it pretty extensively on my 24" Dell Ultrasharp which is also running at 1920x1200 hooked up to a Macbook Pro. I've not been able to recreate the "stuck unresolved" while in fit mode with various sizes of the develop window. I'd be glad to try to recreate if you can give me some sizings, etc. to try and recreate here, e.g. how wide are side panels, are top and bottom on or off, etc.

Jay S.

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Creative_Efex

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Ok just doing some editing and encountered something I forgot to mention before.

If I use a preset that has NR factored into the preset it shows the results in Develop Fit/Fill fine. However if I manually apply NR it won't show up unless I zoom 1:1 or view in Library.

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JayS_In_CT

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Si Guy aka Rayeza wrote:
Just thought id post this up.. see if anyone else is having probs.. everytime i make an image adj, esp in the basic tab the image only fully renders if i zoom into it.. this is getting on my nerves now.. and also they seem to have removed the really close magnification on the zoom.. another feature missed for me.
PLSPLSPLS Adobe...
Continual rendering or atleast the option..

And the super zoom back.
Aaaaathankingyou.

Had this issue as well and know exactly what you're talking about. I got it to go away (hopefully for good) by deleting the previews folder and letting LR 3 build a new set. I also purged the ACRLR Cache. Nothing in the Preview folder should be impacting, but I did it anyway. I think someone mentioned using the Beta. I'm wondering if this has something to do picking the beta version of the catalog. Don't know but did it for me. Macbook Pro, 10.6.3.

Jay S.

SCRATCH the above.. Just loaded a new set of images and the problem is now back on all. I can get a "clear" image back simply by going from "Fit" to "Fill".. On a 1920x1200 Dell 24" Ultrasharp. Never an issue in 2.7. The issue also seems to not occur if I resize the entire LR window down about 3/4" as someone mentioned, or if I edit in "Fill" mode. I prefer not to give back that real estate if I don't have to. Same exact symptoms as shown in the image above.

Message was edited by: JayS In CT Sorry.. thought I had found something to correct this.

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Creative_Efex

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Along the same lines ...

I'm having issues with the preview window not updating in the develop module but showing correctly in the library module. For instance I applied the noise removal in develop mode and the navigator was showing correctly but the preview window wasn't .. I was getting frustrated so I went over to the library module to check something and lo and behold it was previewing correctly in Library mode so I clicked back into the Develop module and it was incorrect still. Flicking back & forth between the two modules shows the two different results with the library being the only correct one. I'm noticing this with sharpening also.

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Jao vdL

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I'm having issues with the preview window not updating in the develop module but showing correctly in the library module.
...noise removal...I'm noticing this with sharpening also.

This is normal. The Develop module while zoomed out does not apply the noise removal and the sharpening. It will only apply it while zoomed in 1:1. The reason for this is that it would be far too slow to actually calculate this. When you go to Library, a new preview jpeg is rendered that does include all the develop settings and then the image is shown from this preview jpeg, instead of from the raw data (or whatever kind of file is your original). Do realize that the only place where you can judge noise reduction and capture sharpening correctly is in the 1:1 zoomed view. In zoomed out views, you are more looking at the scaling algorithm than the sharpening so this is not a loss as you should NOT be using the capture sharpening to make an image appear sharp at a heavily scaled down level. That's what output sharpening is for. In LR3, Lightroom does now try to show the effect of output sharpening (which is a very different thing than the capture sharpening in the Develop module) in the zoomed out preview, but it is a little buggy and doesn't always happen.

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Creative_Efex

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Well that makes sense .. thanks for clarifying that. Still a little annoying to have to click away to see the overall result but I understand why.

Thanks again

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