P: Generative Remove Feedback (Lr Classic & Lr Eco)

[Rikk Flohr: Photography]

This post applies to Lightroom Classic and the Lightroom Ecosystem products.

Camera Raw feedback can be found here.

Generative Remove makes it easier to remove unwanted objects and distractions with a simple gesture, even on complex backgrounds. For more accurate results, be sure to include the object's shadow in your selection and/or expand its size. 

Detect Objects uses AI to find the objects underneath a brushed area. The masked areas will now appear larger than the Early Access version of this feature. You can also circle objects for quicker selection now. 

We have also updated the spot selection experience to make it easier to manage variations, switch the fill type, refine the selection area, or re-generate as needed. 

Batch updating is also now supported for Generative Remove spots. 

Try out the latest updates and share your feedback with us here. Please also include the following details in your post: 

• App version
• System details
• Example image(s) if you wish to share

Our team continually monitors this thread to track issues for future improvement. Thanks!

Lisa Ngo: Lightroom Product Manager

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[Jim 185]

LrC Generative AI has issues with blurred wire fencing (as does PS Remove distratctions) It seems to substitute another set of wires for the fencing.

Image attached

The erase tool can deal wit it but the "fix" can easily be seen.

It does seem to work OK with fencing  that is in focus ( I don't have an example right now)

[johnrellis]

@Jim 185: "LrC Generative AI has issues with blurred wire fencing (as does PS Remove distratctions) It seems to substitute another set of wires for the fencing."

Interesting, I saw the same behavior until I made the selection around the wires wider (changing the margin around the selected object is always something to try when Remove replaces rather than removes):

[sb2314]

Try increasing the contrast considerably, remove, and then lower the
contrast back down to normal levels.


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[Davidb_nor]

I'm feeling so lost now.

before I used to use a clone brush, then select an object/area which should be removed. Then I could move the 'source' to whichever part of the pic that suited.

Now, this function is devided into three (different?) 'Remove', heal and clone. And I simply cant use it anymore.

Concrete: I have a branch which I want to get rid of.

WHICHEVER of the three functions I chose, the branch stays there! (The background changes).

Simply put: How to use 'normal' clone?

Yes I set opacity to 100 (doesn't help). But there are so many submenus..

Can someone help?

Thx.

[Davidb_nor]

The white branch on the very right won't go away. Why?

[C.Cella]

@Davidb_nor Nothing ahs changed for Clone and Heal.

You can still paint the Clone or Heal and choose the source
Using you screenshot



Be sure the right "Mode" for the "Remove" you want to paint is selected.

e.g Clone

Be sure to have Tool Overlay set to "Auto" or "Always" or "Selected"

You can cycle throigh them with "h" on your keyboard.



After having painted a Clone or Heal you can "convert" them to the new tools
Use the Drop Down menu in "Fill" for the "Selected" remove.

[Davidb_nor]

Thank you so much for your answer.
I did (and have done exactly like you described, several times).
I tried again, and the result look like this: (why...)

[johnrellis]

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@Davidb_nor, it looks like you're appyling Remove on top of an AI mask, e.g. Sky or Background. Do you see a red dot under the Masking icon? That indicates that the AI mask needs to be recomputed -- do the menu command Settings > Update AI Settings. 

[Dan-Fx]

With the current update to generative Ai update, selections after being replaced now have a noticeable tone change from the selected area. Making it now obvious where things were removed. Is anyone else having this problem? I'm on v. 14.2.

Or does anyone have a solution?

[johnrellis]

@Dan-Fx: "With the current update to generative Ai update, selections after being replaced now have a noticeable tone change from the selected area. Making it now obvious where things were removed."

Did you apply Remove on top of an AI mask (e.g. Sky or Background)? If so, do the menu command Settings > Update AI Settings. Otherwise:

Many have observed here that the replacements made by Generative Remove sometimes don't match the photo's tone or noise. To get better matches, these techniques sometimes help:

1. Adobe recommends applying Denoise before Remove. This can reduce the noise, making it more likely the replacement will match.

2. The replacement patch supplied by Adobe Firefly has a maximum size of 2048 x 2048 pixels. If the selected area in the photo is larger than that, then the replacement patch gets upscaled (and blurry). Try removing smaller selections if possible.

3. Conversely, try making a larger selection, even including the entire background. Upscaling of the replacement sometimes won't be noticeable then.

4. Sometimes there's a distinctly visible boundary where the tone or noise don't match. You can often use the heal tool around the boundary to get better feathering and make it less noticeable -- apply Heal in small brush strokes. Or use a Brush mask with maximum feathering, dropping local Texture, Clarity, and Sharpness to their minimum values. Sometimes, making a very raggedy selection around the object makes the boundary less noticeable.

5. For grain/noise in particular, see this post for how to ameliorate the problem by adding the grain back or reducing the grain:
https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-discussions/p-generative-remove-feedback-lr-classic...

[Artbild-Fotografie]

Hi, the generative removal feature in Adobe Lightroom Classic 14.2 does not remove objects, but adds other versions of the object instead.

In my picture it is a trash can, which I now have to remove manually in Photoshop.

Is there perhaps third-party software that can be integrated via a plugin that can take over this function in the future?

[johnrellis]

@Artbild-Fotografie: "the generative removal feature in Adobe Lightroom Classic 14.2 does not remove objects, but adds other versions of the object instead."

1. Uncheck Detect Objects -- it doesn't work well, especially with skinny objects and along the edges of photos.

2. See this short article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot). With nearly every one of the many dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to how how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[stevens33950738]

I have Topaz AI downloaded on  my MAC desktop. Itwas working fine untli it stopped.  Suggestions please.

Steve

[johnrellis]

@stevens33950738: "I have Topaz AI downloaded on  my Mac desktop. It was working fine until it stopped."

You've posted in a thread about LR's Generative Remove. I recommend you contact Topaz support for help, and if they can't solve the issue, start a new thread in this forum.

[Graham5E26]

LrC 14.2, Windows 11 Home

The Generative Remove function has suddenly stopped working correctly. I'm trying to remove a small stick from an image. I drag my selection over the stick with a small brush. I doesn't select it all, but also selects a much wider area. I try to correct it with Add and Subtract feature, but this takes many attempts. When I'm finally able to try to remove, the results are terrible. What's changed, it worked fine until the recent App update?

[johnrellis]

@Graham5E26: "I'm trying to remove a small stick from an image. I drag my selection over the stick with a small brush. I doesn't select it all, but also selects a much wider area."

1. Uncheck Detect Objects -- it doesn't work well, especially with skinny objects and along the edges of photos.

2. If you're still having issues with the stick, see this short article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot). With nearly every one of the many dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[Graham5E26]

Thanks a lot. The unchecking of Detect Objects worked. 

[lloydl89065811]

Drawing straight line holding shift key does not work on first attempt.  Second attempts and afterwards does.

[johnrellis]

@lloydl89065811: "Drawing straight line holding shift key does not work on first attempt.  Second attempts and afterwards does."

In Remove and a Brush mask, you draw a horizontal or vertical line by holding Shift, holding the mouse button down, move the mouse, and release Shift and the button.

You can draw a straight line at any angle by clicking the mouse button, move the mouse, hold Shift, and clicking the button a second time.  Subsequent shift-clicks will draw a straight line from the previous shift-click.

See the attached screen recording in my Mac LR 14.2. If the exact steps above aren't working for you, please start a new thread describing the exact keystrokes and mouse movements you're making and copy/paste the output from the menu command Help > System Info.

[sb2314]

Good to know. Thanks!


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[Schalk0D44]

By creating a dust map (F22 of evenly lit surface out of focus), then use visualise spots, can you then generate a slection that can be saved as "Dust Map". Then instead of removing each and every spot manually, the selection can the be filled using generative AI to remove all the dust spots. From the attached image, you can see what a pain it is to remove dust spots manually.

[ricardo1972]

Boas.
A ferramenta é interessante, sem dúvida e em algumas situações chega a ser eficaz.....
Digo em algumas situações e não em todoas, porque na mioria a ferramenta não remove o objeto selecionado, mas sim o substitui por outro de identica forma e ou objeto...

[johnrellis]

@ricardo1972: "in most cases the tool does not remove the selected object, but rather replaces it with another of identical shape and/or object"

1. Uncheck Detect Objects -- it doesn't work well, especially with skinny objects and along the edges of photos.

2. See this short article for how to remove objects more reliably:
https://www.lightroomqueen.com/generative-remove-replace/

Most complaints about Remove are addressed in the article. But if it doesn't help, please attach a full-resolution JPEG exported from the unmodified original photo (not a screenshot). With nearly every one of the many dozen problem photos posted here, we've been able to show how to quickly remove the desired objects.

[Alluring_customer15D5]

In lightroom classic, the "Create new mask" is very powerful, especially for selecting people.

If I can just remove some people or items from the mask panel, it would be amazing!

[johnrellis]

@Alluring_customer15D5: "If I can just remove some people or items from the mask panel, it would be amazing!"

Please explain in a little more detail what you want to do, especially what you mean by "from the mask panel".