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April 2, 2017
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Virtual Copies disappearing/not appearing

  • April 2, 2017
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I'm using the latest Lightroom CC. I have been having several problems with VCs not appearing at all when I create them, or alternatively disappearing completely for random reasons. I have found the following:

1. If I create the VC from the Folder in the Library  module, then it works without a problem.

2. If I create it from the Collection (inside a collection set), it also generally works.

3. If I create it from a collection set (containing those collections which I am editing) it often works, but sometimes just stops creating virtual copies at all. Virtual copies that I already created remain, however.

4. I also sometimes work from Smart Collections, and there also it generally works, but often just stops creating the virtual copies altogether.

More alarmingly, after having edited a job with a few thousand images and a couple of hundred virtual copies, my original virtual copies completely and utterly disappeared, only to return when I pressed undo. I tried several times to do the same operation (I think I was creating a smart collection or something) and every time the virtual copies just vanished, only to return if I pressed undo.

To be clear, I am not using any filtering on my images, and no stacking either. I am not sure exactly what it is that I do that stops the virtual copies from appearing, or to completely vanish, but I am not changing any of my preferences or filtering options when this occurs.

Correct answer Rikk Flohr_Photography

Could you describe better where to find this switch/button?  I am having the same problem with suddenly losing all my vitual copies in my collection. I've tried all the buttons/switches that I see in that area but no change.  I never had a this problems before and it occured suddenly, so I feel like I must have done something.  I do see them if I go directly to the folder.


 

It looks like a page with a turned up corner.

It is in the Library Filter in Grid View

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New Participant
March 7, 2018

i had the same problem.

i solve it by taggling on-off the little switch botton in the right down corner, beside NO FILTER

... it seems more like a bug!!! i went crazy for that!!!!

now finally I see all my VC

Velile Sipho
Known Participant
May 5, 2021

Where is this switch, please?  I can't find it

 

New Participant
September 23, 2021

Hi. it's the very tiny button to the very right side. I found it finally thanks to the forum. I got really mad nearly. Pff.

It's in the row judt above the thumbnails .. filter...    stars ....etc. ... last in the row ...tiny button. 

New Participant
April 2, 2017

Update: I see that when I create the VC from my collection set (as opposed to in a collection or in the Folder) that LR creates a "stack" in the Folder (in Library module). I am not sure why it is doing this, but even unstacking the VC does not make it appear in the collection set.

Community Expert
May 5, 2021

A new VC will inherit copies of more or less all the starting picture's individual attributes, though obviously master / virtual copy status will differ. Also the timestamp of adding to the Catalog is different; and the Copy name. So even in the folder, it is possible to filter a view such that virtual copy versions will not show.

 

Whether a VC shows, or does not show, in a Smart Collection arises purely from what its attributes are.

 

A brand new VC does NOT inherit membership in every Collection the starting picture belongs to. This is by design: the undesired consequences this avoids, are clear to see.

 

Only, if you create a new VC while looking at a particular Collection, then LrC presumes that you intend this new virtual version to inherit membership of that Collection: to become visible there too.  

 

But the only thing that can possess membership in a Collection SET, is a Collection. An image cannot do so. So when a new VC is created while looking at a Collection SET, there is nothing about this viewing context that the new image thumbnail could inherit.

 

  • If you want it to show up in a Collection Set then it will need to be a member in one of those Collections.
  • If you want it to belong to a specific (standard) Collection you will need to either create it in that context, or else add that membership afterwards.

 

 

DdeGannes
Community Expert
April 2, 2017

Hint "be aware that Virtual copies are (virtual) i.e. they are not actual copies of the original image file. Its info stored within the Lightroom Catalog file. if you move the original file from outside Lightroom or if you delete the original file the Virtual copy will cease to exist.

Regards, Denis: iMac 27” mid-2015, macOS 11.7.10 Big Sur; 2TB SSD, 24 GB Ram, GPU 2 GB; LrC 12.5,; Lr 6.5, PS 24.7,; ACR 15.5,; (also Laptop Win 11, ver 24H2, LrC 15.0.1, PS 27.0; ) Camera Oly OM-D E-M1.
New Participant
April 2, 2017

Absolutely, I understand that. But Lightroom is creating the Virtual Copies, it even tells me that it is creating them, but they are not appearing in the collection, only in the original Folder in the Library. I prefer to edit from my collections and not from my folders (it's more organized).

DdeGannes
Community Expert
April 2, 2017

It's working as designed. The virtual copies sit alongside to the original file.

Regards, Denis: iMac 27” mid-2015, macOS 11.7.10 Big Sur; 2TB SSD, 24 GB Ram, GPU 2 GB; LrC 12.5,; Lr 6.5, PS 24.7,; ACR 15.5,; (also Laptop Win 11, ver 24H2, LrC 15.0.1, PS 27.0; ) Camera Oly OM-D E-M1.