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May 22, 2019
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Weird crosshatch effect after export

  • May 22, 2019
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This just started happening not to long ago after i export some my photos. It doesn't happen to every photo but most of them get this effect. Everyone says its probably because my iso was to high or just to set my grain, sharpen, and noise reduction to 0 to fix the problem. It works but this was never a problem before. I used to shoot at a very high iso and use all the tools i stated above for years. This just started happening a couple months ago and i still cant find a solution. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you!

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New Participant
December 26, 2023

I am probably too late.. But I faced the same issues with some pictures. I see the checked pattern disappear after i turned off the grain. 

Rikk Flohr_Photography
Community Manager
Community Manager
December 26, 2023

You’ve posted to an ancient thread. It is highly unlikely that the issue described in this thread, though not impossible, is the same one you are currently experiencing. Rather than resurrect an old thread that is seemingly similar, you are better off posting to a new thread with fresh, complete information, including system information, a complete description of the problem, and step-by-step instructions for reproduction. 

 

If the issue is the same, we will merge you back into the appropriate location. 

 

Thank you!

 

Rikk Flohr: Adobe Photography Org
Community Expert
May 23, 2019

Great catch Todd. If this is the issue, another approach could be to turn off the lens correction but this image definitely needs a bit of luminance smoothing

Todd Shaner
Brainiac
May 24, 2019

I've yet to see this in any of my Canon DSLR shots including the similar 16-35mm F4L IS lens. However, my Lens Profile default settings are Distortion = 0 and Vignetting = 75 for most of my lenses. I only change it if "visible" distortion is present in the image. There are lot's of reasons for doing this and here's yet another reason! Below is an ISO 3200 shot with both Lens profile at 100 and over-the-top settings using the Canon 16-35mm F4L IS lens. Interestingly it looks much worse in the Develop module than in the Library module or Export JPEG file. If I uncheck 'Use Graphics Processor in Preferences the Develop and Library modules look the same. Go figure!

Community Expert
May 24, 2019

That's probably happening because when using the GPU in Develop it probably uses slightly lower precision math for interim calculations and due to the subsampling it does you're more likely to see these numerical artifacts

Todd Shaner
Brainiac
May 23, 2019

gregt98010239  wrote

Everyone says its probably because my iso was to high or just to set my grain, sharpen, and noise reduction to 0 to fix the problem. It works but this was never a problem before. I used to shoot at a very high iso and use all the tools i stated above for years. This just started happening a couple months ago and i still cant find a solution.

Did you perhaps buy a new lens and its happening when shooting with this lens? See the below post with a similar issue due to the Lens Profile causing a moire' pattern in high ISO shots.

Lightroom 4: Moire when Sharpening and Profile Correction used together | Photoshop Family Customer Community

Here's what Adobe Engineer Eric Chan said at the above post

Eric Chan, Camera Raw Engineer

What you are seeing here is image noise that is (1) becoming patterned due to the radially-symmetric warp used by the distortion correction, and (2) amplified by the sharpening. My suggestion is to (a) use more luminance noise reduction, and (b) use more Masking with the sharpening to avoid amplifying the noise.

The crosshatch moire' pattern in the OP's 4301B0234.jpg image file is due to the combination of Lens Profile AND Rotation corrections. Here's why:

Raw File Name              : 431B0234.CR2
Sharpness                  : 73
Luminance Smoothing        : 0
Color Noise Reduction      : 25

This ISO 3200 image is very noisy, has a high 73 Sharpening setting, and 0 Luminace setting.

SOLUTION

Adjust the Sharpening and Luminance Noise Reduction controls at 1:1 Zoom view to reduce visible noise. A setting in the 25 to 50 range should "fix" the issue.

shadowkiss-au
New Participant
September 15, 2019
Thank you so much for this Todd - This fixed my moire export issues perfectly!
Brainiac
May 23, 2019

It exists. Take the 4301B0234.jpg at 1:1  exposure, -.36, contrast 100 - I think you'll see it.

Community Expert
May 23, 2019

I can get the first jpeg (the one without -2) to show the moiré pattern

when I up the contrast in Lightroom in my phone but not the other file.

What is the difference between the two files?

Brainiac
May 23, 2019

As I understood the clean one was the pre-output original.

Just Shoot Me
Brainiac
May 23, 2019

The Grid pattern is not visible on my system. Neither in LR or the Win 7 Photo Viewer program.

So it is something on your system and not in the image itself.

Brainiac
May 23, 2019

This is very hunchy, but I believe I've seen effects such as this when exporting "extremely" processed files at certain pixel-widths. The result is, in effect, a rectilinear moire, and the solution iirc was to choose an export width that was a multiple of some of the common denominators of the original image; eg for a 2400 pixel width, I might go with 1200, or 1600, 800, or 600.

After writing above, I took a look at your two images in LR. Saw the output was tilted, experimented to see that tilting the original 1.19 seems to be a perfect match, and also matches your output's dimensions. Rules out my first theory, now I wonder if the tilt has something to do with the moire.  I did what I could to stress it ( output at zero quality, too) - but I couldn't get your checkerboard result.

1) Perhaps dropboxing the original raw, xmp, and your export settings - and we could see if we can replicate.

2) Is there some other 'gotcha' that might be involved. Is the output image you provided the actual image as opposed to a screenshot? Any other differences between how you handled this shot versus ones in the past? There's no way you could be printing a Smart Preview?

TheDigitalDog
Inspiring
May 23, 2019

And you see this IN Develop when viewing at 1:1?

Or you see it in the exported image at 1:1 (100% zoom)?

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management/pluralsight"
Participating Frequently
May 23, 2019

I don't see it at all in develop and it'll appear every now and then when I view it through the library tab.

TheDigitalDog
Inspiring
May 23, 2019

gregt98010239  wrote

I don't see it at all in develop and it'll appear every now and then when I view it through the library tab.

Then it's not really there. Library and all other modules except Develop use a different preview architecture using JPEGs and thus, the crosshatch is a 'preview' issue and not in the data. That's why, for most accurate previews of the actual data, you must use Develop and view at 1:1 or greater zoom ratio.

Author “Color Management for Photographers" & "Photoshop CC Color Management/pluralsight"