P: Lightroom Classic: Panel Scroll Bar / Close annoyance

[fiendishmedia]

The panel scroll bar and close panel bar arrow section are annoyingly close together. On a 4K monitor (and possibly lower resolutions) the panel scroll bar is so thin that it's easy to press the close button instead. This is frustrating when trying to select the appropriate tool and you just keep closing/unclosing the panels. Is it possible to either increase the size of the scroll bar, be able to lock the panel in place or a mix of the two. Cheers,

[TiredOfSubscriptions]

How has it been 8 years and this still has not been addressed?

[TiredOfSubscriptions]

That link doesn't go anywhere meaningful.

[Rrbavnr36034958]

It's simple, add a preference that shows or hides the field with the little minimzing arrows. I'm sure most users who want to hide panels quickly learn to use Tab instead anyway, we don't need to click an arrow in the GUI. I'm sure every single UX designer will tell you that it's horrible design to have 2 very tall and narrow fields right next to each other at the very end of the window. How could a design choice like this happen, and then be left unfixed for a literal decade? Also, there should be more ways to scroll a pane, such as using the middle mouse button to drag anywhere in the panel, or alt-dragging for example.

[JimBolesDesigns]

Can't believe this is still an issue.

[PatBranch]

Right! It would be nice if they would actually focus on UI and content management (which I thought was the point) improvements.

[TiredOfSubscriptions]

Im pretty sure at this point, whoever is in charge of making a simple change like this is ignoring it just to be petty.

[Captain_Zemo]

Yes, this has been an annoying issue for MANY years.  The collapse panels arrows does not have to take up the entire side where scroll bars live. It could be made smaller in height to be just a small rectangle on top and bottom of the arrow.  An option to eliminate it would be terrific.

  With all of the wonderful innovations that Adobe has made in LR, this little annoyance presists.  I hit it by mistake everyday.  Can it be that hard to correct?

[Captain_Zemo]

I seriously wonder why Adobe thinks that the extra long panels collapse bar needs to take up all of the space right next to the scroll bar.  Panel closure is not used nearly as much as the panels scroll bars in any module. The keyboard short cut TAB button is a perfect option for panel closure  Panel closure buttons could occupy just a small part of the sidebar, possibly in a differnt color and help to avoid unwanted and unnecessary panel closures.  It is so annoying and has been for many years.

[Jeff A. Goulden]

I haven't installed the new Lightroom Classic 14.3 update yet but I'll bet anyone $100 that they still haven't fixed the problem that causes the two side panes to collapse. This happens when you are trying to click on the slide bar and don't click precisely in the right place. You should hear me cuss when I do this 4-5 times a day. To me, it's the most annoying bug in Lightroom and I think it has been going on since Version 1. Why the (expletive) can't they fix this?

[dj_paige]

Is it a bug? Maybe they think its not a bug, and they aren't going to fix it because it is working properly.

[Jeff A. Goulden]

Thanks DJ for responding.  Yes, you may be correct.  They probably don't consider it a bug.  I'm not sure what else to call it though.  It's certainly not a feature.  Maybe an extreme annoyance, problem, poor design, irritating.  If you have been subject to this "feature", I'm sure that you would also consider it annoying at least.  I was a software developer for over 40 years.  If one of my programs behaved like this, my users would have repeatedly called me to let me know.  I would have fixed a small problem like this just so they would stop calling me. 

[johnrellis]

Moderators, @Rikk Flohr: Photography, please merge with this existing Idea:

https://community.adobe.com/t5/lightroom-classic-ideas/p-lightroom-classic-panel-scroll-bar-close-an...

[Jeff A. Goulden]

Thanks John for helping to keep this issue alive.  As I can see from the link you provided this annoying issue has been a part of Lightroom for at least 10 years.  I know that I have been dealing with it for a long time and I've been on Lightroom since version 1 or 2.  I have brought up the issue once or twice before.  If I would have let a simple little programming issue like this go unfixed for that long I'd be out of a job.  What power do we have, as Adobe users, to get this fixed?

[Jeff A. Goulden]

Just an update.  I installed Lightroom Classic 14.3 today and to no one's suprise, the side panes still keep collapsing.  Too bad no one took up my $100 bet.  I would have treated myself to a fancy steak dinner complete with wine and dessert.  Come on Adobe.  Just fix the freaking problem.

[Ian Lyons]

@Jeff A. Goulden 

I've merged your thread with the existing authortive thread in Ideas forum

[Captain_Zemo]

I have another idea for Adobe's LR programers for removing the bothersome extra long panel collapse bar the takes up the all side of the program.  Maybe it would be easier if an option was created in Preferences to turn off the annoying collapse feature.  I'm not a programmer but it might be simpler than resizing the troublesome panel collapse border in Lightroom Classic.